A Case of CIC
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A Case of CIC
I don't really believe in Forester's Cyclist Inferiority Complex, but this may qualify.
In today's Washington Post District Extra Dr. Gridlock article, Dean Nguyen, a mountain biker and assistant manager at a shop near Springfield, Virginia, declared in no uncertain terms that the *only* place for cyclists was on trails and paths; never on the roads. Oy.
wish I could find the exact quotation. There's a couple anti-cyclist letters in there.
In today's Washington Post District Extra Dr. Gridlock article, Dean Nguyen, a mountain biker and assistant manager at a shop near Springfield, Virginia, declared in no uncertain terms that the *only* place for cyclists was on trails and paths; never on the roads. Oy.
wish I could find the exact quotation. There's a couple anti-cyclist letters in there.
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Here you go:
"Dear Dr. Gridlock:
I strongly oppose cyclists sharing the road with motorists. It is not only unsafe, but inconvenient for drivers.
Cyclists tend to act as though the rules of the road don't apply to them, and as though they possess the same presence on the road as automobiles. It is amazing that there are not more cycling-related fatalities in our area. Cyclists belong on paths, and nowhere else.
Before you chastise me for being anti-cyclist, I would like you to know that I am an avid mountain biker who rides more than a thousand miles a year, and I have been an assistant manager at a local shop for years.
I do not believe that I or any other cyclist should be sharing the road with cars. It's unsafe and irresponsible.
Dean Nguyen"
"Dear Dr. Gridlock:
I strongly oppose cyclists sharing the road with motorists. It is not only unsafe, but inconvenient for drivers.
Cyclists tend to act as though the rules of the road don't apply to them, and as though they possess the same presence on the road as automobiles. It is amazing that there are not more cycling-related fatalities in our area. Cyclists belong on paths, and nowhere else.
Before you chastise me for being anti-cyclist, I would like you to know that I am an avid mountain biker who rides more than a thousand miles a year, and I have been an assistant manager at a local shop for years.
I do not believe that I or any other cyclist should be sharing the road with cars. It's unsafe and irresponsible.
Dean Nguyen"
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The last sentence of the letter sums up the CIC (or whatever you want to call it). Cyclists are sitting ducks out there, on the verge of death at any moment, with nothing they can do about it. Right
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Originally Posted by joejack951
The last sentence of the letter sums up the CIC (or whatever you want to call it).
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
What I call it is provincialism; a self centered mountain biker who has no interest in other types of cycling or cyclists and presumably doesn't make any effort in selling any other type of cycling.
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Originally Posted by CB HI
Local cyclist in DC should call the shops in the area, ask for the guy, then when you know what shop he works at, picket the shop.
Do that! The manager of the shop will fire him!
Manager certainly doesn't want people picketing in front
of his place, will see what kind of employee he is and
boot his @ss!
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Dear Dr. Gridlock:
I strongly oppose cyclists sharing paths with hikers. It is not only unsafe, but inconvenient for pedestrians.
Cyclists tend to act as though the rules of the path don't apply to them, and as though they possess the same maneuverability on the path as hikers. It is amazing that there are not more cycling-related fatalities in our area. Cyclists belong on roads, and nowhere else.
Before you chastise me for being anti-cyclist, I would like you to know that I am an avid road biker who rides more than a thousand miles a year, and I have been an assistant manager at a local shop for years.
I do not believe that I or any other cyclist should be sharing a path with pedestrians. It's unsafe and irresponsible.
Grumpy Road Cyclist
I strongly oppose cyclists sharing paths with hikers. It is not only unsafe, but inconvenient for pedestrians.
Cyclists tend to act as though the rules of the path don't apply to them, and as though they possess the same maneuverability on the path as hikers. It is amazing that there are not more cycling-related fatalities in our area. Cyclists belong on roads, and nowhere else.
Before you chastise me for being anti-cyclist, I would like you to know that I am an avid road biker who rides more than a thousand miles a year, and I have been an assistant manager at a local shop for years.
I do not believe that I or any other cyclist should be sharing a path with pedestrians. It's unsafe and irresponsible.
Grumpy Road Cyclist
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Originally Posted by Dean Nguyen
I have been an assistant manager at a local shop for years.
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that guy must get held up on his way to his mountian biking trails by bicyclists. I bet he honks at bicyclists. In that he kind of reminds me of helemt head, in a way, but twisted.
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Originally Posted by Daily Commute
Dear Dr. Gridlock:
I strongly oppose cyclists sharing paths with hikers. It is not only unsafe, but inconvenient for pedestrians.
Cyclists tend to act as though the rules of the path don't apply to them, and as though they possess the same maneuverability on the path as hikers. It is amazing that there are not more cycling-related fatalities in our area. Cyclists belong on roads, and nowhere else.
Before you chastise me for being anti-cyclist, I would like you to know that I am an avid road biker who rides more than a thousand miles a year, and I have been an assistant manager at a local shop for years.
I do not believe that I or any other cyclist should be sharing a path with pedestrians. It's unsafe and irresponsible.
Grumpy Road Cyclist
I strongly oppose cyclists sharing paths with hikers. It is not only unsafe, but inconvenient for pedestrians.
Cyclists tend to act as though the rules of the path don't apply to them, and as though they possess the same maneuverability on the path as hikers. It is amazing that there are not more cycling-related fatalities in our area. Cyclists belong on roads, and nowhere else.
Before you chastise me for being anti-cyclist, I would like you to know that I am an avid road biker who rides more than a thousand miles a year, and I have been an assistant manager at a local shop for years.
I do not believe that I or any other cyclist should be sharing a path with pedestrians. It's unsafe and irresponsible.
Grumpy Road Cyclist
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20 miles a week? Wooo-Hooo, hardcore.
Let's see...If I rode only 20 miles a week...I could commute to work and back 1.5 times using the shortest route (actually, that would put me a little over). For everything else I would have to take the car. Not gonna' happen.
He seems to be someone who sees a bike as a mere toy, rather than a viable vehicle for transportation.
Let's see...If I rode only 20 miles a week...I could commute to work and back 1.5 times using the shortest route (actually, that would put me a little over). For everything else I would have to take the car. Not gonna' happen.
He seems to be someone who sees a bike as a mere toy, rather than a viable vehicle for transportation.
Last edited by CommuterRun; 05-18-07 at 02:15 PM.
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I see a significant number of spandex-clad mountain-bike riders on sidewalks in my city, riding to and from the trailheads, sometimes wearing their team jerseys. There are far more spandex-clad road-bike riders on the roadways, but it seems that most of the time I see a spandex-clad mountain biker on a public highway right of way, he's on the sidewalk, often riding contra-flow.
I have spoken to some avid mountain bikers who are not road cyclists, and they have said that they are afraid of traffic.
On the other hand, the road cyclists I know who also mountain bike tend to ride to the trailheads on the roadway. They appreciate trails, but when traveling on public highway corridors, they prefer to use the roadway.
I do both mountain biking and road cycling, in spandex, but no team affiliations. I am generally much more afraid of falling on my mountain bike when riding over roots and logs than I am afraid of traffic on the way to and from the local trails. I think it comes down to practice and experience to become comfortable with one or the other.
What concerns me is that this particular writer isn't just afraid of traffic himself, but he wants other cyclists to give up riding on the roads. This is the type of mindset that promotes designating sidewalks as bike paths, combined with mandatory sidepath-use laws.
I have spoken to some avid mountain bikers who are not road cyclists, and they have said that they are afraid of traffic.
On the other hand, the road cyclists I know who also mountain bike tend to ride to the trailheads on the roadway. They appreciate trails, but when traveling on public highway corridors, they prefer to use the roadway.
I do both mountain biking and road cycling, in spandex, but no team affiliations. I am generally much more afraid of falling on my mountain bike when riding over roots and logs than I am afraid of traffic on the way to and from the local trails. I think it comes down to practice and experience to become comfortable with one or the other.
What concerns me is that this particular writer isn't just afraid of traffic himself, but he wants other cyclists to give up riding on the roads. This is the type of mindset that promotes designating sidewalks as bike paths, combined with mandatory sidepath-use laws.
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Originally Posted by sggoodri
What concerns me is that this particular writer isn't just afraid of traffic himself, but he wants other cyclists to give up riding on the roads. This is the type of mindset that promotes designating sidewalks as bike paths, combined with mandatory sidepath-use laws.
Competent motorists, who are the vast majority of all motorists, demonstrate no problem with safely passing a cyclist, regardless of the cyclist's road position, as long as the cyclist is visible and riding in a predictable manner.
Last edited by CommuterRun; 05-18-07 at 03:23 PM.
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Then I'll disagree with CommuterRun - it's also a matter of not wanting to be inconvenienced, as much as worrying about their competence. Don't get in my way forcing me to slow down, requiring me to move body parts by pressing the brake and turning the wheel and, lord forbid, having to actually think! I got a bingo game to get to at the church! I am a disagreeable cuss, aint I?
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Originally Posted by CommuterRun
20 miles a week? Wooo-Hooo, hardcore.
Let's see...If I rode only 20 miles a week...I could commute to work and back 1.5 times using the shortest route (actually, that would put me a little over). For everything else I would have to take the car. Not gonna' happen.
He seems to be someone who sees a bike as a mere toy, rather than a viable vehicle for transportation.
Let's see...If I rode only 20 miles a week...I could commute to work and back 1.5 times using the shortest route (actually, that would put me a little over). For everything else I would have to take the car. Not gonna' happen.
He seems to be someone who sees a bike as a mere toy, rather than a viable vehicle for transportation.
Just because the guy likes to go Mountain Biking does not mean he is not the same kind of motorist to throw a half full can of beer out of his car window at a road cyclist or commuter.
As far as I'm concerned, this guy is just a motorist spouting off the same dribble as the rest of the vocal ones about how commuters and road cyclists inconvenience him, only this guy hides under the umbrella of "gee, I'm a cyclist too".
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Originally Posted by chipcom
.....it's also a matter of not wanting to be inconvenienced, as much as worrying about their competence. Don't get in my way forcing me to slow down, requiring me to move body parts by pressing the brake and turning the wheel and, lord forbid, having to actually think!.....I am a disagreeable cuss, aint I? 

and Bingo!
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Originally Posted by pj7
I see nothing in his statement that claims that "a cyclist (the person) is in any way inferior to a motorist (the person)".
ILTB summed it up best.
ILTB summed it up best.
Where I see the "inferiority" coming in is when the cyclist him/herself feels they are less important road users, because they do not see their vehicles as having an equal right to the road, and therefore must take care to never inconvenience a car driver.
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Originally Posted by LittleBigMan
I'm amazed that so many people are ranting about this Nguyen character. Most people I've talked to (outside these forums) seem to agree with him.
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"Let us hope our weapons are never needed --but do not forget what the common people knew when they demanded the Bill of Rights: An armed citizenry is the first defense, the best defense, and the final defense against tyranny. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military, the hired servants of our rulers. Only the government -- and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws" - Edward Abbey




