WWII, the golden age of bicycling
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I hope this direct link to a photo in the Library of Congress digital collection works:
The Bicycle Brigade at Lockheed
The bicycle brigade at Lockheed Vega Aircraft Corporation. Employees living within four miles of Lockheed's plant may purchase bicycles through the company and resell them to the company when need for them no longer exists. This mode of transportation is becoming increasingly popular, and has resulted in the sale of 2400 bicycles in...
The article linked by Artkansas mentions that
...there was remarkable consistency in the observation of journalists and visitors (as well as in later memoirs) that the combination of a world crisis, full employment, and mild austerity seemed to be a tonic for the American character.
The Bicycle Brigade at Lockheed
The bicycle brigade at Lockheed Vega Aircraft Corporation. Employees living within four miles of Lockheed's plant may purchase bicycles through the company and resell them to the company when need for them no longer exists. This mode of transportation is becoming increasingly popular, and has resulted in the sale of 2400 bicycles in...
The article linked by Artkansas mentions that
...there was remarkable consistency in the observation of journalists and visitors (as well as in later memoirs) that the combination of a world crisis, full employment, and mild austerity seemed to be a tonic for the American character.
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Those days are coming again, whether we want them to or not.
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The 40's really were a golden or silver age for bicycles, (I'd rank the bike boom of the early 1900s as the golden age). Before 1950, there where less than half the cars on the road as now, and probably only a few, if any suburbs. Only problem was back then, grown men didn't wear shorts. I seem to recall that I read about a war time rationing system for bikes during WWII.
Probably will be harder for today's citizens to adjust when the fuel prices start to climb, then it was for our parents and grandparents.
Probably will be harder for today's citizens to adjust when the fuel prices start to climb, then it was for our parents and grandparents.
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Originally Posted by slagjumper
...Only problem was back then, grown men didn't wear shorts...
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and bikes weighed 40-60lbs and took 400 watts to make them do 12mph
I would much rather have the neighborhoods and old towns of that era and todays bikes thank you very much
I would much rather have the neighborhoods and old towns of that era and todays bikes thank you very much
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I think it's very sad that things have gotten to such a depressing state that we now look back on a terrible world war with wistfulness.
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Originally Posted by bragi
I think it's very sad that things have gotten to such a depressing state that we now look back on a terrible world war with wistfulness.
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Originally Posted by Cosmoline
And wheels had fenders.
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Originally Posted by bragi
Except for the full employment part...
For example in 1900 if you bought a table and chairs, it was made of locally grown and milled Maple, Pine and Oak. Now the wood is shipped from South America to China, milled and assembled, then shipped to the US for consumption. I expect by 2100 it will be locally made of locally available wood again.
One of the issues, is that it's not we have 100% of the demand covered by supply one day, and 0% of demand covered by supply, the next. It's more like we have capacity to cover 105% of demand today, 104% next month, 103% the next month, etc. The sticking point is when you hit 99%, the price goes up, and some users fall off the radar, first off the radar is poor countries with no domestic supply, as they will not be able to afford the new, higher, import prices. This will attenuate demand partly, and slow down the process, but with supply steadily dropping, the process will continue, prices will bump up again, and some more countries (and people) will stop buying. In countries like the US and Canada, this will put pressure on transit organizations, to add more service, low and no fuel use vehicles will also see a surge in demand. Expect one of the US automakers to add motorcycles and scooters to their product lines, at some point. Manufacturers will start to do more work domestically, as the costs of shipping goods long distances gets too expensive. This is already partially the case with Import Automobiles, where the parts come from Japan, and are assembled in North America, because it's too expensive to ship the air inside the finished vehicle.
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Originally Posted by pedex
and bikes weighed 40-60lbs and took 400 watts to make them do 12mph
I would much rather have the neighborhoods and old towns of that era and todays bikes thank you very much
I would much rather have the neighborhoods and old towns of that era and todays bikes thank you very much
Remember, folks back then not only rode bikes during the war, they WENT to war on bikes. The elite bicycle troops in the European theater were no joke. They could cross through rough terrain fast and quick, with no need for gasoline or driveable roads.
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fun to ride? maybe for just putzing around but if I had to ride one of those tanks everyday to sling packages I'd be way more tired and slower than I already am, no thanks, my 17lb track bike does an excellent job and its inexpensive and reliable
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I rode a big steel three speed around all last year. It's great! The weight lowers the center of gravity, and you're extremely stable. Plus the bike itself is stronger and can carry more cargo.
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stability isnt a problem, I rode a SS mtb for awhile, very similar to one of these cruiser bikes, it was heavy, slow as hell, and tiring, even with a 44/15 gear it was still slow as hell
I can't ride in traffic on a tank of bike, cars downtown typically do 18-22mph when traffic is light, and im not gonna putter along in the gutter or on the sidewalk.
I can't ride in traffic on a tank of bike, cars downtown typically do 18-22mph when traffic is light, and im not gonna putter along in the gutter or on the sidewalk.
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
I do that regularly on my MTB commuter in traffic.
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Originally Posted by Wogsterca
There may not be the employment doom and gloom that so many people will think will come with the oil bust, in fact employment may actually increase. Just like jobs are different now then they were in the 1950's, they may be different in again in the 2050's. One of the big benefits during the oil boom, was that you could move manufacturing and processing to where labour was cheap, and ship the end product. However before the oil boom, you tended to produce goods close to the point of consumption, because shipping those goods was expensive. Now you tend to produce goods where labour is cheapest, sometimes half a planet away from the point of consumption. I expect after the oil bust, many companies will be interested in moving production close to the point of consumption again.
For example in 1900 if you bought a table and chairs, it was made of locally grown and milled Maple, Pine and Oak. Now the wood is shipped from South America to China, milled and assembled, then shipped to the US for consumption. I expect by 2100 it will be locally made of locally available wood again.
For example in 1900 if you bought a table and chairs, it was made of locally grown and milled Maple, Pine and Oak. Now the wood is shipped from South America to China, milled and assembled, then shipped to the US for consumption. I expect by 2100 it will be locally made of locally available wood again.
I posted in another thread that should we run out of oil, life will return back to what it was in 1907. If you look at microfilm in the library, you'll see a booming society in the middle of an industrial revolution. There was almost full employment as jobs were plentiful and abundant.
I did not see any human suffering from the lack of transportation. None at all. The Iron horse provided more than enough transportation needs and everyone lived by train schedules. The motorcar has bankrupted the American public and made them personal debtors for life due to the high cost of personal transportation. It also bankrupted our nation as we run record trade deficits each year with nations that would rather see this country fall.
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fun to ride? maybe for just putzing around but if I had to ride one of those tanks everyday to sling packages I'd be way more tired and slower than I already am, no thanks, my 17lb track bike does an excellent job and its inexpensive and reliable
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Originally Posted by Dahon.Steve
Good one.
I posted in another thread that should we run out of oil, life will return back to what it was in 1907. If you look at microfilm in the library, you'll see a booming society in the middle of an industrial revolution. There was almost full employment as jobs were plentiful and abundant.
I did not see any human suffering from the lack of transportation. None at all. The Iron horse provided more than enough transportation needs and everyone lived by train schedules. The motorcar has bankrupted the American public and made them personal debtors for life due to the high cost of personal transportation. It also bankrupted our nation as we run record trade deficits each year with nations that would rather see this country fall.
I posted in another thread that should we run out of oil, life will return back to what it was in 1907. If you look at microfilm in the library, you'll see a booming society in the middle of an industrial revolution. There was almost full employment as jobs were plentiful and abundant.
I did not see any human suffering from the lack of transportation. None at all. The Iron horse provided more than enough transportation needs and everyone lived by train schedules. The motorcar has bankrupted the American public and made them personal debtors for life due to the high cost of personal transportation. It also bankrupted our nation as we run record trade deficits each year with nations that would rather see this country fall.
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Originally Posted by Roody
Man. We never would have beat Hitler with that attitude.
oh please, give me a freakin break
nostalgia is great and everything, but face the fact that even the minor advances in bike tech has made an enormous difference, what? you want wooden wheels back and nothing but 80lb iron framed fixed gears? ride a 60lb tank if you want, I don't care, but I won't, they aren't fun for anything but puttering around on
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Originally Posted by pedex
and bikes weighed 40-60lbs and took 400 watts to make them do 12mph
I would much rather have the neighborhoods and old towns of that era and todays bikes thank you very much
I would much rather have the neighborhoods and old towns of that era and todays bikes thank you very much
has been systematically eliminated. Who the hell would ever ride a bike to work if a car were easier and more convenient?
The English 3 speeds were an improvement, of course, offering better perfornmance with no sacrifice in practicality. Personally, I feel that the Golden Age was the 1960s -- just before the Bike Boom.
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What Paul says...
I am planning on the Red one with the Wald newspaper boy baskets front and rear.
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I am planning on the Red one with the Wald newspaper boy baskets front and rear.
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