cyclist death - ignorant comments
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cyclist death - ignorant comments
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and the comments of cyclists, shoulders, taxes, poor behavior all rolled into a few posts.. How embarrassing. Denver is supposed to be know as a cyclist friendly town overall.
and the comments of cyclists, shoulders, taxes, poor behavior all rolled into a few posts.. How embarrassing. Denver is supposed to be know as a cyclist friendly town overall.
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and the comments of cyclists, shoulders, taxes, poor behavior all rolled into a few posts.. How embarrassing. Denver is supposed to be know as a cyclist friendly town overall.
and the comments of cyclists, shoulders, taxes, poor behavior all rolled into a few posts.. How embarrassing. Denver is supposed to be know as a cyclist friendly town overall.
Some of the posted comments were petty idiotic; I'm pretty sure that these comments do not represent the opinions or the intelligence of the majority of people in Denver. (I Did notice that some of the dumber comments came from Greeley; go figure.)
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James, I thought your responses to that discussion were very well written and made important points. Good job!
It's sad/funny how it seems like the same group of internet trolls winds up posting in the discussion after ever cyclist death that makes the paper. The discussion is eerily similar every time.
It's sad/funny how it seems like the same group of internet trolls winds up posting in the discussion after ever cyclist death that makes the paper. The discussion is eerily similar every time.
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My condolences to both families. There is not much in the article about the cyclist. Did he have lights, reflective gear, blinkies, etc....What kind of clothing was he wearing. I also read the commments! There were some pretty ignorant ones.
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As for Greely...I think its all that methane they breath
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But in every city, even Portland, or Boulder, for that matter, you're going to find that a certain percentage of the car-driving population is going to be stupid, ignorant and/or hostile towards bicyclists. Most people, once they're made aware of tax structures, traffic laws, and the benefits that bicycling can confer on the community at large, tend to become more supportive of cyclists even if they don't ride themselves. In Seattle, I've noticed that as the number of bicycles increases, some motorists get more hostile, but the vast majority of people become more used to seeing them, and start treating them as a normal part of their driving routine. Maybe the same process is takiing place in Denver.
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We'll never make people aware of the law. They will never like having bikes on the road. The way cycling will be accepted is by ramming it down their throats. Ride your bike, on the road, follow the law, stop at lights and signs, be courteous, but take your rights and use them.
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referencing all the Pinto Beans grown there?
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1. Put some bicycling-related questions on the drivers' license test (Bicyclists' status as rightful road users, how to navigate when bikes are around);
2. More signage that reminds drivers that bicycles will be sharing the road on some routes, maybe even on billboards;
3. Public-service announcements on talk radio programs (although this might trigger an ugly backlash if the radio station or many of its listeners are rabid "get-out-of-my-way" f*ckwads...)
4. Using civil suits to go after drivers who've injured bicyclists, if normal law-enforcement agengies won't do their job; make these legal actions as public as possible.
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We'll never make people aware of the law. They will never like having bikes on the road. The way cycling will be accepted is by ramming it down their throats. Ride your bike, on the road, follow the law, stop at lights and signs, be courteous, but take your rights and use them.
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The goals of the criminal system are retribution, punnishment, rehabilitation, and to protect society. The goal of the civil system is restoration.
If someone gets hurt the civil system should definitely be engaged. If the action that caused injury was criminal, then the criminal system should be engaged.
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As both a bike rider and car driver in the Denver area, I can say bike riders do a lot to cause this sort of reaction, riding two or more abreast on highways without bike lanes for instance, and breaking every traffic law, especially at intersections.
Cars are the norm, and Bikes are a hindrance to the orderly flow of traffic.
Cars are the norm, and Bikes are a hindrance to the orderly flow of traffic.
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As both a bike rider and car driver in the Denver area, I can say bike riders do a lot to cause this sort of reaction, riding two or more abreast on highways without bike lanes for instance, and breaking every traffic law, especially at intersections.
Cars are the norm, and Bikes are a hindrance to the orderly flow of traffic.
Cars are the norm, and Bikes are a hindrance to the orderly flow of traffic.
Yes, sometimes I ride two abreast on a highway that doesn't have a bike lane.. makes it much easier to talk to the person I'm riding with. If I hear a car coming up behind me, I pull forward or fall back, and allow the passing car as much room as possible. I'd say 95% of the time I hear the car coming far enough away that I don't slow them down any more than usual. In this I'm not breaking the law.. it states single file 'when other vehicles are present'
As far as downtown... I use a lane. I can easily keep up with the traffic, and I don't filter past cars at lights. I don't see the point. I won't save more than a few seconds, anyway.
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As both a bike rider and car driver in the Denver area, I can say bike riders do a lot to cause this sort of reaction, riding two or more abreast on highways without bike lanes for instance, and breaking every traffic law, especially at intersections.
Cars are the norm, and Bikes are a hindrance to the orderly flow of traffic.
Cars are the norm, and Bikes are a hindrance to the orderly flow of traffic.