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advice on a new bike
After realizing how expensive it would be to build up a LHT with the specs I wanted, I've decided to go with either a Trek of Cannondale bike off the shelf. I'm doing a fully loaded cross-country tour from boston to oregon/washington next July/August with a friend of mine.
We're both 22 years old and just started racing collegiately, but I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a great climber. I really like the 520, and the fact that it's steel, but I have read a lot about having to swap out the crankset for lower gearing. If i put a 34T cassette on the back do you think that would be low enough with the 30T chainring in the front? I would hate to get stuck mid-climb without any more gears, but I don't like the idea of having to swap out a crankset and possibly a BB and front deraileur. I have never used bar end shifters so I am also a bit hesitant about those, but I am willing to give them a shot because of their reliability and lack of cables.
My budget allows for the 520 or one of the two Cannondale Tourers (2008 1&2). What are your opinions of these bikes for the type of riding I'll be doing.
Thanks a lot,
Andrew
We're both 22 years old and just started racing collegiately, but I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a great climber. I really like the 520, and the fact that it's steel, but I have read a lot about having to swap out the crankset for lower gearing. If i put a 34T cassette on the back do you think that would be low enough with the 30T chainring in the front? I would hate to get stuck mid-climb without any more gears, but I don't like the idea of having to swap out a crankset and possibly a BB and front deraileur. I have never used bar end shifters so I am also a bit hesitant about those, but I am willing to give them a shot because of their reliability and lack of cables.
My budget allows for the 520 or one of the two Cannondale Tourers (2008 1&2). What are your opinions of these bikes for the type of riding I'll be doing.
Thanks a lot,
Andrew
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What type of gold plated LHT were you building? If the tour is next July/August, order the LHT F/F and start piecing it. You can build it for way less than the cost of a new 520.
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I'd either look for a LHT complete (there may be more of them by spring) or look at the Cannondale Touring 2 which is the equivalent of the T800. It's as good a touring bike as the LHT and a little better than the 520. It will last up just as well as a steel bike and, with a 40 or 50 lb load, the bike is a dream to ride.
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I did mine for about that. Fleabay/craigslist/veldrome swap meet. His tour is in July, which is why I suggested start piecing it together now. Spread that 1200 over a few months, build it like you want it.
Ha, detailed build... $958
https://www.wolfenet.org/?p=6
Of course this is 2004 pricing before component prices went through the roof.
Ha, detailed build... $958
https://www.wolfenet.org/?p=6
Of course this is 2004 pricing before component prices went through the roof.
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As a guy who's built a few frames up...... it's possible to do it pretty cheap, but it takes a lot of time and effort....and often the end result isn't much better or even different than buying an off the shelf bike. Used parts equal a used bike....nothing wrong with that, but lots of folks who do these ultra cheap builds fail to mention half the stuff used.
As far a getting a good touring bike from a LBS.....Trek, Surly, Cannondale, Fuji, all are quality rides. If you buy from a shop, and your shifter craps out after 2 weeks, the chances are the shop will make it right. With EBAY. well. you're hosed.
Start with your local REI store, if you have one in the area. Test ride a Randonee...it's a nice bike and the REI return policy is second to none. I like the Cannondales as well. I think the Touring 2 (the old T800 I think?) is a good value. I like Tiagra and Deore LX parts because they are cheaper and yet good quality (07 Tiagra brifters are as good as older Ultegra ones)
Do a lot of test rides and good luck.
As far a getting a good touring bike from a LBS.....Trek, Surly, Cannondale, Fuji, all are quality rides. If you buy from a shop, and your shifter craps out after 2 weeks, the chances are the shop will make it right. With EBAY. well. you're hosed.
Start with your local REI store, if you have one in the area. Test ride a Randonee...it's a nice bike and the REI return policy is second to none. I like the Cannondales as well. I think the Touring 2 (the old T800 I think?) is a good value. I like Tiagra and Deore LX parts because they are cheaper and yet good quality (07 Tiagra brifters are as good as older Ultegra ones)
Do a lot of test rides and good luck.
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I probably should have specified...I can pro-deal the Trek of C'dale and basically get them for half retail. If i built up a LHT with similar components it would cost me about double. Also, what are your thought on me having to swap out out the road triple?
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Ah, you work in a bike shop? Get the C'Dale and be done with it. You'll love the bike.
I believe the new 08 520 as outboard berings on the cranks, making switching them out really simple-- lots of MTB cranks that you swap out in minutes. Just lower the FD. I'm guessing that the friction shifting will make any small chainline problems no big deal.
I believe the new 08 520 as outboard berings on the cranks, making switching them out really simple-- lots of MTB cranks that you swap out in minutes. Just lower the FD. I'm guessing that the friction shifting will make any small chainline problems no big deal.
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So after some more research and thinking, I'm leaning towards the Cannondale Touring 1. I was turned off by the single eyelet on the 520 fork, and I feel better about riding w/ Canti brakes. Having said that, I still have some questions/reservations.
-Does anyone know what rear rack comes stock on the C'dales? Is this something I'd have to swap out for fully loaded touring?
-Is it possible to put a smaller chainring than 30T on a shimano road triple?
-Does anyone have experience w/ the IRD 10-speed mountain cassettes? I have heard that they do not shift as smoothly as shimano, but it's nice to have the extra gear.
Thanks,
Andrew
-Does anyone know what rear rack comes stock on the C'dales? Is this something I'd have to swap out for fully loaded touring?
-Is it possible to put a smaller chainring than 30T on a shimano road triple?
-Does anyone have experience w/ the IRD 10-speed mountain cassettes? I have heard that they do not shift as smoothly as shimano, but it's nice to have the extra gear.
Thanks,
Andrew
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I did mine for about that. Fleabay/craigslist/veldrome swap meet. His tour is in July, which is why I suggested start piecing it together now. Spread that 1200 over a few months, build it like you want it.
Ha, detailed build... $958
https://www.wolfenet.org/?p=6
Of course this is 2004 pricing before component prices went through the roof.
Ha, detailed build... $958
https://www.wolfenet.org/?p=6
Of course this is 2004 pricing before component prices went through the roof.
And in current dollars, the price could be substantially higher. As I've said before, building a bike is fun and rewarding. It is seldom cheaper then buy a complete bike.
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I'm not a big fan of 10 speed chains for touring, too weak IMHO. Also 10 speed drivetrains are more touchy when they get a lot of road gunk in them. The extra gear isn't going to make any difference either-- I think the high/low is 11/32 on both the 9 and 10 speed cassettes, so the range is the same.
Yes, you can take off the 30 thooth chainring and go with something smaller (26 I think). But who knows what it will do to your shifting? Shimano doesn't engineer it's road drivetrains to take such a huge drop to the small chainring. Switching changerings on a Trek 520 isn't such a big deal because it has friction shifting on the frount derailer.
Overall, the Cannondale 2 is a better touring bike. Less bling, but better thought out.
Yes, you can take off the 30 thooth chainring and go with something smaller (26 I think). But who knows what it will do to your shifting? Shimano doesn't engineer it's road drivetrains to take such a huge drop to the small chainring. Switching changerings on a Trek 520 isn't such a big deal because it has friction shifting on the frount derailer.
Overall, the Cannondale 2 is a better touring bike. Less bling, but better thought out.
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So after some more research and thinking, I'm leaning towards the Cannondale Touring 1. I was turned off by the single eyelet on the 520 fork, and I feel better about riding w/ Canti brakes. Having said that, I still have some questions/reservations.
-Does anyone know what rear rack comes stock on the C'dales? Is this something I'd have to swap out for fully loaded touring?
-Is it possible to put a smaller chainring than 30T on a shimano road triple?
-Does anyone have experience w/ the IRD 10-speed mountain cassettes? I have heard that they do not shift as smoothly as shimano, but it's nice to have the extra gear.
Thanks,
Andrew
-Does anyone know what rear rack comes stock on the C'dales? Is this something I'd have to swap out for fully loaded touring?
-Is it possible to put a smaller chainring than 30T on a shimano road triple?
-Does anyone have experience w/ the IRD 10-speed mountain cassettes? I have heard that they do not shift as smoothly as shimano, but it's nice to have the extra gear.
Thanks,
Andrew
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I would say, buy the Canondial because they are specked better then the Trek for loaded touring. If you wish to use the bike not just loaded, you can consider the Trek.
As for the crank, you will get it for half price, so buy a touring crank and auction the new crank that you took off. You will get more then you paid.
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You'll never win on price building it from scratch unless you garage sale find the frame. Even then it's iffy. You build from scratch because it's a hobby or because you want to select the specific components cause you're picky or odd sized.