Bottecchia Equipe (?) / i need a new bike like another hole in the head
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Bottecchia Equipe (?) / i need a new bike like another hole in the head
Sooo.. I just picked up this little gem.
I'm trying to determine the model. Nothing on CR or on Mark Bulgier's pages. The paint is similar to Ray Dobbins' 1992 Bottecchia Equipe, but there are some key differences, namely:
-Mine is SLX, his is TSX
-Mine has lug windows and longer point lugs, his does not have lug windows. His bike has Cinelli lugs
-Mine has a Carnielli 80th anniversary decal on the dt.
btw, I'm serious about not needing another bike. This is marked "49", which is the st length. The tt length is 52 c-t-c. There's a slight tt dent and some paint chips, but it's otherwise lovely, if a little dirty. I'm sick. Please help me.
I'm trying to determine the model. Nothing on CR or on Mark Bulgier's pages. The paint is similar to Ray Dobbins' 1992 Bottecchia Equipe, but there are some key differences, namely:
-Mine is SLX, his is TSX
-Mine has lug windows and longer point lugs, his does not have lug windows. His bike has Cinelli lugs
-Mine has a Carnielli 80th anniversary decal on the dt.
btw, I'm serious about not needing another bike. This is marked "49", which is the st length. The tt length is 52 c-t-c. There's a slight tt dent and some paint chips, but it's otherwise lovely, if a little dirty. I'm sick. Please help me.
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Bellisima! Damn I love that frame. Not my size alas Wish I knew more about them - I assume Equipe means "Team" in Italian. I've seen some similar frames in other colors from a guy in Finland or Sweden I think that were SLX and were called Squadron. Sounds like "Team" too. Anybody know Italian? I suspect SLX frames are from the late 80's and TSX frames are from the early 90's but that's just a guess.
[edit] I see that's an '89 from the Carnielli decal.
Maybe T-Mar can help us out.
[edit] I see that's an '89 from the Carnielli decal.
Maybe T-Mar can help us out.
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I saw one like that at T-town this past weekend. Could that be it?
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nope - i call canadia home, and I wasn't at t-town
and now for some pron:
ray dobbins' equipe
a "boat" i found on wooljersey... this one is columbus sp
i gave the frame a quick wipedown, and it's an great shape - good paint, near perfect chrome, except for the underside of the fork. Someone please save me before I build this up and keep it!
and now for some pron:
ray dobbins' equipe
a "boat" i found on wooljersey... this one is columbus sp
i gave the frame a quick wipedown, and it's an great shape - good paint, near perfect chrome, except for the underside of the fork. Someone please save me before I build this up and keep it!
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Usually I ride a 52 cm ST 53 cm TT, but that might work...
I also don't need another bike though, and have 0 parts to build it up.
I also don't need another bike though, and have 0 parts to build it up.
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Bellisima! Damn I love that frame. Not my size alas Wish I knew more about them - I assume Equipe means "Team" in Italian. I've seen some similar frames in other colors from a guy in Finland or Sweden I think that were SLX and were called Squadron. Sounds like "Team" too. Anybody know Italian? I suspect SLX frames are from the late 80's and TSX frames are from the early 90's but that's just a guess.
[edit] I see that's an '89 from the Carnielli decal.
Maybe T-Mar can help us out.
[edit] I see that's an '89 from the Carnielli decal.
Maybe T-Mar can help us out.
The model names could vary depending the country, if they were left up to distributor, but I am not sure. Suadron may be a Scandinavian term as I usually see Squadra associated with Italian models. I believe Equipe also means team in both French and Italian.
I have a similar SLX model, however it does not have the cut-outs on the side of the head lugs and the seat lug is not chromed. Also, mine has a pump peg, but the OP's may lack this simply due to the small frame size.
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t-mar to the rescue!
well, I think I'll build this thing up, and hope I can get it to fit. I've had many a bike that's been too big for me, but none that have been too small. All the pros seem to be riding with 140mm stems and seatposts that stick out a foot from the frame, and I'm nothing if not professional...
the parts will probably be a bit of a mishmash, as I can't seem to remember where I left that darned NOS c-record gruppo. maybe in the shed, underneath the van goghs. Gipiemme tubulars, mavic starfish cranks (I knew thos would come in handy!), campy brakes and levers, cinelli bar and stem, record derailleurs, blablabla.
well, I think I'll build this thing up, and hope I can get it to fit. I've had many a bike that's been too big for me, but none that have been too small. All the pros seem to be riding with 140mm stems and seatposts that stick out a foot from the frame, and I'm nothing if not professional...
the parts will probably be a bit of a mishmash, as I can't seem to remember where I left that darned NOS c-record gruppo. maybe in the shed, underneath the van goghs. Gipiemme tubulars, mavic starfish cranks (I knew thos would come in handy!), campy brakes and levers, cinelli bar and stem, record derailleurs, blablabla.
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Moki
I´m living in Sweden, perhaps it´s my Bottecchia you guys have seen. You can see detailed photos of it on www.chainedrevolution.com. Equipe is French and Squadra Italian and both means Team. Basically it´s the same frame. They also used to come in matte black/white. Mine is from 1990 when I picked it up, custom built for me with SLX tubing by Carnielli´s Reparto Corse who built all the old Bottecchias.
Your frame looks to be slightly older than mine or Ray Dobbins, perhaps built in the late 80ies
I´m living in Sweden, perhaps it´s my Bottecchia you guys have seen. You can see detailed photos of it on www.chainedrevolution.com. Equipe is French and Squadra Italian and both means Team. Basically it´s the same frame. They also used to come in matte black/white. Mine is from 1990 when I picked it up, custom built for me with SLX tubing by Carnielli´s Reparto Corse who built all the old Bottecchias.
Your frame looks to be slightly older than mine or Ray Dobbins, perhaps built in the late 80ies
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Actually. a Mavic crankset would be very apppropriate. In 1989 Greg Lemond won the Tour-Day-France (that's just for you Bob ) riding for the ADR-Bottechia team, which just happened to use Mavic components. Now I'm sure a lot of people will point out that the frame that Greg rode for most of the stages was actually a TVT and that he favoured the non-starfish crank and that the team bicycles were painted yellow and purple, but what's etched into our minds is Greg riding the final TT on the red and white, steel frame, with the starfish crank, to take the Tour by 8 seconds over Fignon.
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Moki
I´m living in Sweden, perhaps it´s my Bottecchia you guys have seen. You can see detailed photos of it on www.chainedrevolution.com. Equipe is French and Squadra Italian and both means Team. Basically it´s the same frame. They also used to come in matte black/white. Mine is from 1990 when I picked it up, custom built for me with SLX tubing by Carnielli´s Reparto Corse who built all the old Bottecchias.
Your frame looks to be slightly older than mine or Ray Dobbins, perhaps built in the late 80ies
I´m living in Sweden, perhaps it´s my Bottecchia you guys have seen. You can see detailed photos of it on www.chainedrevolution.com. Equipe is French and Squadra Italian and both means Team. Basically it´s the same frame. They also used to come in matte black/white. Mine is from 1990 when I picked it up, custom built for me with SLX tubing by Carnielli´s Reparto Corse who built all the old Bottecchias.
Your frame looks to be slightly older than mine or Ray Dobbins, perhaps built in the late 80ies
BTW - I love the way you have it set up now - exactly what I want to do with one myself when the right frame comes along in my size.
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Could be - I just took a quick look at your site and saw the red/white Squadra. The ones I remember were 3 bikes - red/white, blue/white and black/white. I'll see if I can find the pictures. I saved them but I don't think I noted the web site anywhere darn it. I'm going to be in trouble if I ever decide to do my doctoral dissertation on Bottecchias since I didn't bother record the sources of all the stuff sitting on my harddrive. Oh well, I didn't need a phd anyway
BTW - I love the way you have it set up now - exactly what I want to do with one myself when the right frame comes along in my size.
BTW - I love the way you have it set up now - exactly what I want to do with one myself when the right frame comes along in my size.
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Moki
I´m living in Sweden, perhaps it´s my Bottecchia you guys have seen. You can see detailed photos of it on www.chainedrevolution.com. Equipe is French and Squadra Italian and both means Team. Basically it´s the same frame. They also used to come in matte black/white. Mine is from 1990 when I picked it up, custom built for me with SLX tubing by Carnielli´s Reparto Corse who built all the old Bottecchias.
Your frame looks to be slightly older than mine or Ray Dobbins, perhaps built in the late 80ies
I´m living in Sweden, perhaps it´s my Bottecchia you guys have seen. You can see detailed photos of it on www.chainedrevolution.com. Equipe is French and Squadra Italian and both means Team. Basically it´s the same frame. They also used to come in matte black/white. Mine is from 1990 when I picked it up, custom built for me with SLX tubing by Carnielli´s Reparto Corse who built all the old Bottecchias.
Your frame looks to be slightly older than mine or Ray Dobbins, perhaps built in the late 80ies
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Yeah, the blue and black ones are from his shop. The black/white one is his own personal ride. Mine is the red one in an earlier build-up. If you want to see how she looks today enter www.chainedrevolution.com, enter MFC gallery and look at the first pic of the series. I tried to upload a photo here but they are too big it seems.
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Yeah, the blue and black ones are from his shop. The black/white one is his own personal ride. Mine is the red one in an earlier build-up. If you want to see how she looks today enter www.chainedrevolution.com, enter MFC gallery and look at the first pic of the series. I tried to upload a photo here but they are too big it seems.
Do you know what years the blue and black bikes are?
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Yeah it´s a very nice bike, perfect for long days in the saddle. And I have been lucky, I have´nt crashed it or anything which partly explains why it still has this nice finish.
The blue one is from around the same period as mine i e 1989-90 and the black one is a little earlier, 1986-87 if I remember correctly. Btw, could you explain to me how you managed to bring the picture over to the Forums?
The blue one is from around the same period as mine i e 1989-90 and the black one is a little earlier, 1986-87 if I remember correctly. Btw, could you explain to me how you managed to bring the picture over to the Forums?
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Yeah it´s a very nice bike, perfect for long days in the saddle. And I have been lucky, I have´nt crashed it or anything which partly explains why it still has this nice finish.
The blue one is from around the same period as mine i e 1989-90 and the black one is a little earlier, 1986-87 if I remember correctly. Btw, could you explain to me how you managed to bring the picture over to the Forums?
The blue one is from around the same period as mine i e 1989-90 and the black one is a little earlier, 1986-87 if I remember correctly. Btw, could you explain to me how you managed to bring the picture over to the Forums?
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man, when things come together, they really come together. I just picked up a Mavic Starfish crank from a bike a friend and I are parting out. I don't have any other Mavic parts, and I'm disinclined to seek em out, as I have most of what I need to build the thing. I've been lusting after one of these cranks for a while now, and I'm pretty glad they'll play nicely with the frame. I've the opportunity to pick up a pair of Delta brakes, but I'm not sure if I'm ready for them.
Michele Francesconi's gggorgeous Bottechia seems to be pretty much the same frame as mine. The only differences are minor cosmetic issues - his lacks the 80th anniversary sticker, and the placement of the columbus stickers are different. I can't make out the tubing sticker on his bike, but I'm guessing SLX due to the similarities.
Michele Francesconi's gggorgeous Bottechia seems to be pretty much the same frame as mine. The only differences are minor cosmetic issues - his lacks the 80th anniversary sticker, and the placement of the columbus stickers are different. I can't make out the tubing sticker on his bike, but I'm guessing SLX due to the similarities.
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man, when things come together, they really come together. I just picked up a Mavic Starfish crank from a bike a friend and I are parting out. I don't have any other Mavic parts, and I'm disinclined to seek em out, as I have most of what I need to build the thing. I've been lusting after one of these cranks for a while now, and I'm pretty glad they'll play nicely with the frame. I've the opportunity to pick up a pair of Delta brakes, but I'm not sure if I'm ready for them.
Michele Francesconi's gggorgeous Bottechia seems to be pretty much the same frame as mine. The only differences are minor cosmetic issues - his lacks the 80th anniversary sticker, and the placement of the columbus stickers are different. I can't make out the tubing sticker on his bike, but I'm guessing SLX due to the similarities.
Michele Francesconi's gggorgeous Bottechia seems to be pretty much the same frame as mine. The only differences are minor cosmetic issues - his lacks the 80th anniversary sticker, and the placement of the columbus stickers are different. I can't make out the tubing sticker on his bike, but I'm guessing SLX due to the similarities.
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Moki, mine is built with SLX tubing and a Cinelli Spoiler bb. You can see detailed pics on the www.chainedrevolution.com site, in the MFC gallery, of the Bottecchia and other bikes. The Mavic crank is
really nice, a beautiful piece of componentry. Btw the Malvor-Bottecchia Pro team used Squadra/Equipe frames
with Mavic SSC gruppos in the late 80ies.
really nice, a beautiful piece of componentry. Btw the Malvor-Bottecchia Pro team used Squadra/Equipe frames
with Mavic SSC gruppos in the late 80ies.
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