My stupid car!
#101
Prefers Cicero
We do have a family car, but if I drove to work regularily I'd need a second car, so if that cost me $3550 based on your frugal practises, that's still a five-fold advantage for cycling.
But in fact cars are a blight on the planet. I say this as a car owner (actually it's my wife's sister's car - she can't drive anymore so we took it on and sold our previous vehicle). No individual car owner is responsible, since it's very difficult to live in this society without a car, but collectively, we are wreaking havoc on the planet with our car lifestyle. and we're killing each other with our cars. So that's what's wrong with just saying it's up to the individual's choice.
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As to the first part, cooker, that's great, but again it's a matter of what can be done rather than what is done. See my post about living with a car during my poorest days.
As to the second part, it's all opinion. Passionately held, perhaps, but still opinion. The same argument can -- and has -- been made by activists for just about everything under the sun.
As to the second part, it's all opinion. Passionately held, perhaps, but still opinion. The same argument can -- and has -- been made by activists for just about everything under the sun.
#103
Prefers Cicero
Each situation is different and there is endless complexity in the numbers. If you have a job where you set your own hours and earn a high hourly rate, or if you are willing to take a second, part-time job or run a business on the side, a short commute is money in your pocket. If you have a young family, a short commute is quality time with the kids. If living in the city means owning one instead of two cars, that's a savings of at least $3000/year (and probably a lot more for many people who aren't as frugal around cars as Six jours or you) which is the mortgage payment on something like $40,000. So by owning one less car, you can afford a $40,000 more expensive house, and by living in the city you can increase your income and/or quality of family life.
#104
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I think we're at peak auto, or close to it. Ten years from now we'll see if I'm right. Hopefully this thread will still be archived somewhere.
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I think we're at peak auto, or close to it. Ten years from now we'll see if I'm right. Hopefully this thread will still be archived somewhere.
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I'm not a doomsday predictor by any means. It's just obvious we won't keep building bungalows and freeways as oil gets more and more expensive - we'll shift more to townhomes and rails. And bikeways.
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I'm not a doomsday predictor by any means. It's just obvious we won't keep building bungalows and freeways as oil gets more and more expensive - we'll shift more to townhomes and rails. And bikeways.
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Each situation is different and there is endless complexity in the numbers. If you have a job where you set your own hours and earn a high hourly rate, or if you are willing to take a second, part-time job or run a business on the side, a short commute is money in your pocket. If you have a young family, a short commute is quality time with the kids. If living in the city means owning one instead of two cars, that's a savings of at least $3000/year (and probably a lot more for many people who aren't as frugal around cars as Six jours or you) which is the mortgage payment on something like $40,000. So by owning one less car, you can afford a $40,000 more expensive house, and by living in the city you can increase your income and/or quality of family life.
#110
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True dat, but it does get irritating having other try to shoot down your own specific situation. There are also a wide variety of conditions that people consider to be positive and negative, as well as those that they ignore. For instance, most don't mind a reasonably longer commute, even though it's generally a negative, just like they don't mind horrible AQ, which is generally a negative. It's definitely YMMV. For a DIY'er, living in the city generally provides far fewer advantages than disadvantages imo, and the money saved via living farther out for much, much cheaper, can be used to buy something small in the city outright. There are definitely ways to maximize utility depending on what a person's or group's goals are.
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