'nother cool old bike I bought on ebay
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'nother cool old bike I bought on ebay
A van Hauwaert, probably Belgian, wheels, pedals, bar and stem wrong but rest pretty original. I probably have parts to get it back right, sorta...
Oddly enough, I have another of this brand someone gave me a number of years ago, repainted but even older, so I was anxious to see one in original condition. If anyone knows anything about van Hauweart I'd love to hear! And I just met a local guy who can do this kind of boxlining for about 100. bucks.
Its a lower end bike, but in those days they didn't think, "ah, this one's cheap, let's just make junk", They made em almost as nice as the top end.
Oddly enough, I have another of this brand someone gave me a number of years ago, repainted but even older, so I was anxious to see one in original condition. If anyone knows anything about van Hauweart I'd love to hear! And I just met a local guy who can do this kind of boxlining for about 100. bucks.
Its a lower end bike, but in those days they didn't think, "ah, this one's cheap, let's just make junk", They made em almost as nice as the top end.
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I will disagree. Any 531 frame, even one that is main tubes only, is not lower end. It is mid approaching mid-upper. Gas pipe would be lower end. That has some nice looking lugwork on it.
04-24-08, 01:30 PM
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Nice lugs and a 531 frame = nice bike.
What saddle is on there ?
What saddle is on there ?
04-24-08, 01:31 PM
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Saddle = old Ideale ?
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Van Hauwaert won the 1908 Paris-Roubaix, and Milan San Remo the same year.
he was called "De Leeuw van Vlaanderen" nearly a century before Johan Museeuw.
Found this in a blog:
Marty
he was called "De Leeuw van Vlaanderen" nearly a century before Johan Museeuw.
Found this in a blog:
After his homecoming, Van Hawaert maximized his fame and started building
bicycles bearing his name. The Van Hauwaert brand was built
in his workshop in Brussels, later he opened a second factory in the Congo.
In the late 1940s, he began to rack up debts, as his love
for drink and the horses ate in to his profits. By the mid 1950s he
closed the plant in the Congo and looked into selling off his brand in
order to pay off his bookies. He sold his business to a Mr. De Visscher
who continued production of Van Hauwaert bicycles in Brussels until
the early 1970's when he moved the production to Ronse, in Southern East Flanders.
bicycles bearing his name. The Van Hauwaert brand was built
in his workshop in Brussels, later he opened a second factory in the Congo.
In the late 1940s, he began to rack up debts, as his love
for drink and the horses ate in to his profits. By the mid 1950s he
closed the plant in the Congo and looked into selling off his brand in
order to pay off his bookies. He sold his business to a Mr. De Visscher
who continued production of Van Hauwaert bicycles in Brussels until
the early 1970's when he moved the production to Ronse, in Southern East Flanders.
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Cool history. Seat is a Wittkop. Glad nobody else bid, it was too expensive as is! I just picked up this morning in SF, I'll get more pics after I go through it.
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My Sears Ted Williams has 531 and I wouldn't call it anything but "curious".
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Had that machine forged dropouts, I'd be badgering you to sell it to me
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That's a really neat bicycle. I'd think twice before getting it painted. Build it and ride it for a couple weeks before you rush into it.
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Well, I guess it depends what you were brought up on. Low-end to me means stamped dropouts, no chrome, Huret (can't get much lower than that) and a steel crankset in the alloy era. But maybe for its age its mid-level...
My Sears Ted Williams has 531 and I wouldn't call it anything but "curious".
My Sears Ted Williams has 531 and I wouldn't call it anything but "curious".
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Well, I was brought up admiring my step-father's 50s Allegro, which us kids were not allowed to touch: flamboyant and faded paints, boxlining, pinstripping and chrome up the whazzo, 531, Campagnolo dropouts and Gran Sport deraillers with the 3-piece hubs with sewups, Stronglight crank, Brooks seat...
As that was my first role model as to what a nice bike was, anything less was, well, less!
I think I have a healthy mindset! Honestly, my favorite bike of all time was a 60s Carlton with stamped dropouts!
As that was my first role model as to what a nice bike was, anything less was, well, less!
I think I have a healthy mindset! Honestly, my favorite bike of all time was a 60s Carlton with stamped dropouts!
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A little off topic but I'd like to comment on the whole quality issue from what I remember and have learned over the years since I got into vintage bikes. For some reason I seem to have gotten a different take on this than a lot of people. Here's my take of late 60's - mid 70's bikes:
Junk = department store bike with heavy steel tubes welded, not lugged, construction, crimped tube ends instead of dropouts, often with all steel Japanese components, weighed 40-lbs+ - many Sears Free Spirits (not the Austrian bikes), Murrays, Huffys, etc. The XMart bikes of the day.
Next step up = Schwinn Varsity/Continental, similar to above but much nicer electroforged frame construction. Great for teenagers. Bullet proof but 40-lbs.
Entry level decent quality bike you'd find at a bike shop = thinner walled hi-ten steel tubing, lugged frame construction, steel components of European manufacture, steel wheels, weighed around 28-lbs.
Mid-range bike for cycling enthusiast = lugged frame constructed of maybe still hi-ten steel, maybe straight gauge 531 main tubes, stamped dropouts, some aluminum components EXCEPT the crank which would be cottered steel, maybe aluminum rims, weighed around 26-lbs.
Hi-end bike for serious cyclist/amature racer = full 531 or Columbus frame, all aluminum components including cotterless crank, aluminum probably tubular rims, mixture of components with probably little Campagnolo other than perhaps Tipo hubs. Maybe 22-24-lbs.
Top of the line flagship bike - same 531 or Columbus frame as above with full Nuovo Record or comparible French components. 21-22-lbs. Equivalent to a manufacturer's top of the line $6000 - $10,000 bike today in market position.
Agree? Disagree?
Junk = department store bike with heavy steel tubes welded, not lugged, construction, crimped tube ends instead of dropouts, often with all steel Japanese components, weighed 40-lbs+ - many Sears Free Spirits (not the Austrian bikes), Murrays, Huffys, etc. The XMart bikes of the day.
Next step up = Schwinn Varsity/Continental, similar to above but much nicer electroforged frame construction. Great for teenagers. Bullet proof but 40-lbs.
Entry level decent quality bike you'd find at a bike shop = thinner walled hi-ten steel tubing, lugged frame construction, steel components of European manufacture, steel wheels, weighed around 28-lbs.
Mid-range bike for cycling enthusiast = lugged frame constructed of maybe still hi-ten steel, maybe straight gauge 531 main tubes, stamped dropouts, some aluminum components EXCEPT the crank which would be cottered steel, maybe aluminum rims, weighed around 26-lbs.
Hi-end bike for serious cyclist/amature racer = full 531 or Columbus frame, all aluminum components including cotterless crank, aluminum probably tubular rims, mixture of components with probably little Campagnolo other than perhaps Tipo hubs. Maybe 22-24-lbs.
Top of the line flagship bike - same 531 or Columbus frame as above with full Nuovo Record or comparible French components. 21-22-lbs. Equivalent to a manufacturer's top of the line $6000 - $10,000 bike today in market position.
Agree? Disagree?
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04-24-08, 07:16 PM
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Are the dropouts indeed stamped, or are they "cut"? I think that there's a difference. I have a frame with what I'm led to believe are cut dropouts. Edges are very square, and they're 4 mm thick in the rear, almost 5 mm in the front. I think that Dirtdrop referred to them as being made by Cyclo -- suggesting that they're an item that a manufacturer would order from outside, like forged dropouts, rather than stamping in their own factory.
In any event, I think it qualifies as a bona fide "find."
In any event, I think it qualifies as a bona fide "find."
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So, dug into this bike last night, pretty much disassembled. In my junk I found a Pivo stem, some flat Lyotard pedals, and some Weinmann brake levers that seem more right that what was on there. Seatpost seems too small from how the clamp looked but measures 27.0.
A little baffled on what to do for wheels. It came with a set of sewups with large flange hubs marked "Peugeot Trophy by Malliard" by those seem late 70s to me, so not really right. I have a couple pair of round hole high-flange 3-piece that might look more right, a no-name pair and a set of Cindeo, but they're both Italian.
What were the French hubs? I guess the 60s round hole Normandy would work, but I don't have any, and I saw some sweet Simplex high-flange on ebay but they're bringing tall dollar...
Anyone who knows 50s-60s French stuff want to offer any advice for hubs?
A little baffled on what to do for wheels. It came with a set of sewups with large flange hubs marked "Peugeot Trophy by Malliard" by those seem late 70s to me, so not really right. I have a couple pair of round hole high-flange 3-piece that might look more right, a no-name pair and a set of Cindeo, but they're both Italian.
What were the French hubs? I guess the 60s round hole Normandy would work, but I don't have any, and I saw some sweet Simplex high-flange on ebay but they're bringing tall dollar...
Anyone who knows 50s-60s French stuff want to offer any advice for hubs?
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Are the dropouts indeed stamped, or are they "cut"? I think that there's a difference. I have a frame with what I'm led to believe are cut dropouts. Edges are very square, and they're 4 mm thick in the rear, almost 5 mm in the front. I think that Dirtdrop referred to them as being made by Cyclo -- suggesting that they're an item that a manufacturer would order from outside, like forged dropouts, rather than stamping in their own factory.
In any event, I think it qualifies as a bona fide "find."
In any event, I think it qualifies as a bona fide "find."
I've had Cyclos on a few Carltons. Honestly, I'm not sure how to distinguish "cut" from "stamped". I doubt someone would cut them individually, even with a power saw when stamping is capable of leaving a square edge plus imparting some of the other 3D features.
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So, dug into this bike last night, pretty much disassembled. In my junk I found a Pivo stem, some flat Lyotard pedals, and some Weinmann brake levers that seem more right that what was on there. Seatpost seems too small from how the clamp looked but measures 27.0.
A little baffled on what to do for wheels. It came with a set of sewups with large flange hubs marked "Peugeot Trophy by Malliard" by those seem late 70s to me, so not really right. I have a couple pair of round hole high-flange 3-piece that might look more right, a no-name pair and a set of Cindeo, but they're both Italian.
What were the French hubs? I guess the 60s round hole Normandy would work, but I don't have any, and I saw some sweet Simplex high-flange on ebay but they're bringing tall dollar...
Anyone who knows 50s-60s French stuff want to offer any advice for hubs?
A little baffled on what to do for wheels. It came with a set of sewups with large flange hubs marked "Peugeot Trophy by Malliard" by those seem late 70s to me, so not really right. I have a couple pair of round hole high-flange 3-piece that might look more right, a no-name pair and a set of Cindeo, but they're both Italian.
What were the French hubs? I guess the 60s round hole Normandy would work, but I don't have any, and I saw some sweet Simplex high-flange on ebay but they're bringing tall dollar...
Anyone who knows 50s-60s French stuff want to offer any advice for hubs?
04-25-08, 01:24 PM
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The headbadge alone is worth whatever you paid for the whole bike!! Classic stuff.
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Ok, now all I need is a straight seatpost in 27.2 (for a clamp). Anyone know who still sells those?
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OK, coming along nicely.
Got all the parts cleaned up, installed a Stronglight spindle for a 49 crank I have, found an old/new 50 foot roll of gray ribbed cable housing on ebay for 20 bucks, located a 27.2 straight alloy seatpost online and ordered a bunch of small parts from Loose Screws. Cleaned a set of round-hole Gnutti hubs I had that fit the part, need to lace to some Sun rims I have.
Funny, after I polished up a French Pivo stem and bars, turns out the Belgian bike is English dimensions and threads! So, have an oldstyle GB bar and stem I'm going to use, actually from the OTHER Van Hauweart I have.
Got all the parts cleaned up, installed a Stronglight spindle for a 49 crank I have, found an old/new 50 foot roll of gray ribbed cable housing on ebay for 20 bucks, located a 27.2 straight alloy seatpost online and ordered a bunch of small parts from Loose Screws. Cleaned a set of round-hole Gnutti hubs I had that fit the part, need to lace to some Sun rims I have.
Funny, after I polished up a French Pivo stem and bars, turns out the Belgian bike is English dimensions and threads! So, have an oldstyle GB bar and stem I'm going to use, actually from the OTHER Van Hauweart I have.
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Almost done, new pictures soon. Nothing like a new set of built up wheels with new tires and tubes!
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Finished this last night. Still not thrilled with the functionality of these Huret deraillers, but...
Frame, seat, seat post, headset and bottom bracket as I got it. Stronglight spindle, crank, handlebars, stem, pedals, hubs and brake levers from my stash of parts. Water bottles, cages and mounts from Velo-Orange. Straps, bar tape, rims, cable housing, one hub quick release and white Huret lever covers from ebay.
Paint is a little rough, but I won't change it. Wonderful detailing: I bet it was a beauty when new! I'd like to copy these graphics as I have another of these frames.
edit: Ha, ha, I just sent these pics to the guy I bought it from, he was blown away! He's going to send them to the guy in Belgium he bought the bike from! "Thanks for the go ahead on all the photos. Vincent will be pleased
knowing one of his old favorites is still loved."
Frame, seat, seat post, headset and bottom bracket as I got it. Stronglight spindle, crank, handlebars, stem, pedals, hubs and brake levers from my stash of parts. Water bottles, cages and mounts from Velo-Orange. Straps, bar tape, rims, cable housing, one hub quick release and white Huret lever covers from ebay.
Paint is a little rough, but I won't change it. Wonderful detailing: I bet it was a beauty when new! I'd like to copy these graphics as I have another of these frames.
edit: Ha, ha, I just sent these pics to the guy I bought it from, he was blown away! He's going to send them to the guy in Belgium he bought the bike from! "Thanks for the go ahead on all the photos. Vincent will be pleased
knowing one of his old favorites is still loved."
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