Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Build-up Pics: My First Frameset (All Classic Bits and Pieces!)

Search
Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Build-up Pics: My First Frameset (All Classic Bits and Pieces!)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-03-09, 05:17 PM
  #1  
Sensuous Man
Thread Starter
 
Devotion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 195
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Build-up Pics: My First Frameset (All Classic Bits and Pieces!)

I thought I'd share some pics of the build-up on the first frameset I have ever made. I built it while attending UBI's brazing course, then finished it up in a buddy's shop here in Brooklyn. All bits and pieces fit the "C&V" bill...Mostly Nuovo Record with some steel Cinelli and T.A. thrown in for good measure. I modified both the Brooks saddle and the single-sided Campy clamp-on shift lever.
The build was very much inspired by the British "club racers" and "all-rounders" of the 50's and 60's, though I chose to build with track ends and a derailleur hanger to make the bike as versatile as possible. (NEVER gettin' rid of this one!)




All pics by Miha Matei
Devotion is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 05:19 PM
  #2  
No one cares
 
-holiday76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Yardley, Pa
Posts: 6,107
Mentioned: 39 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 226 Post(s)
Liked 106 Times in 64 Posts
I'm in love. Great job !

What the cork about?
__________________
I prefer emails to private messages - holiday76@gmail.com
Jack Taylor Super Tourer Tandem (FOR SALE), Jack Taylor Tour of Britain, Px-10, Carlton Flyer, Fuji The Finest, Salsa Fargo, Santa Cruz Tallboy, Carver All-Road .


-holiday76 is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 05:22 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
divineAndbright's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: ontario
Posts: 2,234
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Looks nice, what kind of tube set did you use? I'd love to learn to frame build, however I don't exactly live in an area where such a thing is possible!
divineAndbright is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 05:29 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 6,401
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times in 13 Posts
Very nice! I am going to build one myself after I am done with my next randonneuring frame -- mine will be a single speed with angled drops for flip-flopping the hub, though.

The cork helps him go faster! Once upon a time what we now call "blowing up" -- exceeding your anaerobic threshold for too long, resulting in 20 rpm and 4 MPH -- was called "popping your cork". So you simply attach your cork firmly to your bicycle and you will never pop it.
Six jours is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 05:35 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
bibliobob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 3,009

Bikes: '53/'54 Bianchi CDM, '62ish Altenburger Cinelli Mod B, '69 Rene Herse Competition, '72 Motobecane Grand Record, '73-74 Colnago Super,, '73-74 Cinelli SC, '78ish counterfeit Confente, '82 Medici Gran Turismo, '67ish Mondia Speciale, Eddy Merckx Pro

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 90 Post(s)
Liked 257 Times in 87 Posts
Beauty! Very well done!

This is actually a bit similar to what I'm working on at the moment. An early 70s Geoffrey Butler that will be a 6spd (no front derailleur as it has a braze-on for a fd with a stop, and I my NR fd doesn't, and I like the idea of a 5 or 6 spd), my modified Wrights saddle, full fenders, etc. I even have a bar bottle holder ready to go. I'm still on the fence as to whether to modify the dt shifter, or use a bar end (I already have both). And, still don't know whether to hold out for some Bluemels or Honjos, or use some generics that would cost less.

It's a road/race geometry bike with fittings for fenders, which I recently brought back from England to be my rainy day rider/commuter. Path racer inspired as well, my only question is whether to use Cinelli or GB for the bar/stem (I have a set of Cinelli, but could lay my hands on some GB).

Well done!

What is the cork all about?
bibliobob is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 05:45 PM
  #6  
Sensuous Man
Thread Starter
 
Devotion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 195
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanks for the kind words, y'all.
It has been a tremendously rewarding experience and I can't wait to start on frame number two...
To answer a couple of questions from above:
This one was built with Columbus tubing.
As for the cork, I'll leave the explaining to Ted Ernst, a former 6-day racer and fixture of the So-Cal racing scene. He is a great guy and a real wealth of information on racing in the days of yore...

"Cycling Lore From Days Of Yore:
In days of old, when bike riders were bold,
and a fixed gear was all they'd need,
with lots of torque they attached a cork,
and rode away with speed.

Corks in cycling vernacular date back at least to the 1920's, probably
originating at the steeply banked wood track indoor 6-day bike races.
During the halcyon years of cycling in the tens, twenties, and thirties,
trackside at the 6-day race was one of the places where the social set went
to be seen. Sitting next to the action at their infield tables, it was
chic for the "swells" to sip champagne and dine while giving the track
stewards money for sprint laps to liven up the racing activity. The
speedy, smooth muscular shaved legs, whirling wheels, sparkling sprockets
and the sensuous aroma of the various rub down lotions had more than a few
femme fatales asking about and turning an eye or ankle to the studly, er
sturdy bike racers.

Soon the jargon evolved. When a cork was popped, power was released.
Bubbles escaped, the elixir went flat, no more "oomph" or energy. So,
dropping your cork or having no more cork means you're out of it, flat,
dead, pooped, no more stuff. Ergo, the racers would hang a cork on their
bikes so they'd never be "out" of cork. There would always be one more
effort left for a "jam" or sprint.
Conversely, if a rider said he "uncorked" a sprint, well, he "jumped",
"wound it up", and took off. Or, if he pulled their corks, he went so hard
that the opposition got "dropped", "shook off" and had no more cork left.
They were decimated. HAH! Great Fun!

Commercially, bar plugs were not yet in standard production. In spills,
riders could easily get gouged by the edges of the handlebar and stem
tubes. Ouch! Instead of just taping over the openings, our friendly cork
came to the rescue! Corks were filed and/or sanded, inserted into the
openings, and often painted to match the rider's bike or team colors. The
corks were also used to plug the bottom of the fork crown. Dirt and
moisture were kept out. Light, inexpensive, and effective."

A subtle reminder that no matter how tired you think you are, you've always got a little cork left!
Devotion is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 05:52 PM
  #7  
Pug lover! Dogs and bikes
 
Tigerprawn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 1,161
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Devotion
Thanks for the kind words, y'all.
It has been a tremendously rewarding experience and I can't wait to start on frame number two...
To answer a couple of questions from above:
This one was built with Columbus tubing.
As for the cork, I'll leave the explaining to Ted Ernst, a former 6-day racer and fixture of the So-Cal racing scene. He is a great guy and a real wealth of information on racing in the days of yore...

"Cycling Lore From Days Of Yore:
In days of old, when bike riders were bold,
and a fixed gear was all they'd need,
with lots of torque they attached a cork,
and rode away with speed.

Corks in cycling vernacular date back at least to the 1920's, probably
originating at the steeply banked wood track indoor 6-day bike races.
During the halcyon years of cycling in the tens, twenties, and thirties,
trackside at the 6-day race was one of the places where the social set went
to be seen. Sitting next to the action at their infield tables, it was
chic for the "swells" to sip champagne and dine while giving the track
stewards money for sprint laps to liven up the racing activity. The
speedy, smooth muscular shaved legs, whirling wheels, sparkling sprockets
and the sensuous aroma of the various rub down lotions had more than a few
femme fatales asking about and turning an eye or ankle to the studly, er
sturdy bike racers.

Soon the jargon evolved. When a cork was popped, power was released.
Bubbles escaped, the elixir went flat, no more "oomph" or energy. So,
dropping your cork or having no more cork means you're out of it, flat,
dead, pooped, no more stuff. Ergo, the racers would hang a cork on their
bikes so they'd never be "out" of cork. There would always be one more
effort left for a "jam" or sprint.
Conversely, if a rider said he "uncorked" a sprint, well, he "jumped",
"wound it up", and took off. Or, if he pulled their corks, he went so hard
that the opposition got "dropped", "shook off" and had no more cork left.
They were decimated. HAH! Great Fun!

Commercially, bar plugs were not yet in standard production. In spills,
riders could easily get gouged by the edges of the handlebar and stem
tubes. Ouch! Instead of just taping over the openings, our friendly cork
came to the rescue! Corks were filed and/or sanded, inserted into the
openings, and often painted to match the rider's bike or team colors. The
corks were also used to plug the bottom of the fork crown. Dirt and
moisture were kept out. Light, inexpensive, and effective."

A subtle reminder that no matter how tired you think you are, you've always got a little cork left!
That is probably one of the coolest historical facts I've ever read. EVER. I seriously think that's awesome. An awesome reminder that you got one more push one more burst no matter how tired you think you are.
Tigerprawn is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 06:00 PM
  #8  
WNG
Spin Forest! Spin!
 
WNG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Arrid Zone-a
Posts: 5,956

Bikes: I used to have many. And I Will again.

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times in 10 Posts
What a classy bike! Such attention to every detail. I LIKE!
Congrats on your custom ground up build. You must be proud.
WNG is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 06:29 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Gary Fountain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hervey Bay, Qld, Australia.
Posts: 2,928

Bikes: Colnago (82, 85, 89, 90, 91, 96, 03), 85 Cinelli, 90 Rossin, 83 Alan, 82 Bianchi, 78 Fountain, 2 x Pinarello, Malvern Star (37), Hillman (70's), 80's Beretto Lo-Pro Track, 80's Kenevans Lo-Pro, Columbus Max (95), DeGrandi (80's) Track.

Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 179 Post(s)
Liked 198 Times in 124 Posts
Such understated style. Such attention to detail. Such skill. And a wonderful tale of the cork. What a brilliant bike.

Devotion by name; devotion by nature.

(I have to confess - I stole an image as a desktop background.)
Gary Fountain is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 06:31 PM
  #10  
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 28,513

Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com

Mentioned: 124 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2422 Post(s)
Liked 4,391 Times in 2,092 Posts


I have a new all-time BF favorite machine.

-Kurt

P.S.: Track ends, with a derailer hanger? Best thing I've heard of in a long time!
__________________












cudak888 is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 06:44 PM
  #11  
hi
 
YoKev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Kingston, NY
Posts: 2,605
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by cudak888


I have a new all-time BF favorite machine.

-Kurt

P.S.: Track ends, with a derailer hanger? Best thing I've heard of in a long time!
For sure, a beautiful machine!

Kurt, off the top of my head, the Surly Karate Monkey is also set up like that Smart thinking if you ask me.
YoKev is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 06:45 PM
  #12  
www.theheadbadge.com
 
cudak888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern Florida
Posts: 28,513

Bikes: https://www.theheadbadge.com

Mentioned: 124 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2422 Post(s)
Liked 4,391 Times in 2,092 Posts
Originally Posted by kevinsubaru
Kurt, the Surly Karate Monkey is also set up like that
Yes, and it is also ugly as sin.

-Kurt
__________________












cudak888 is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 06:54 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
delicious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: berkeley
Posts: 1,778
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 88 Post(s)
Liked 60 Times in 34 Posts
wow! love it. what are the tires?
delicious is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 07:13 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: STP
Posts: 14,491
Mentioned: 74 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 821 Post(s)
Liked 255 Times in 142 Posts
+1 on the desktop picture idea. One of the nicest rides I've seen lately. Classy.
gomango is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 07:19 PM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
cyclodan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: S.E. Mi.
Posts: 287
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Elegant, simple and style to spare!!! Beautiful.
cyclodan is offline  
Old 04-03-09, 08:00 PM
  #16  
Banned.
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 27,199
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 378 Post(s)
Liked 1,409 Times in 909 Posts
Patent the saddle build. I want one.

Great build.
RobbieTunes is offline  
Old 04-04-09, 08:34 AM
  #17  
Senior Member
 
skyrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Harrow Ontario
Posts: 584

Bikes: 85 bianchi stelvio, 80s Rossi, 80s Fiori modena

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Excellent build. Those fenders are they Bluemels, they look smart, Also I love the the omission of the front derailleur makes for a very clean look.Ive done the same on recent Nishiki international build. Good luck
skyrider is offline  
Old 04-04-09, 08:49 AM
  #18  
Cat 6
 
Ex Pres's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mountain Brook, AL
Posts: 7,482
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 500 Post(s)
Liked 183 Times in 118 Posts
All I can add is:

Wunderbar!
__________________
72 Frejus (for sale), Holdsworth Record (for sale), special CNC & Gitane Interclub / 74 Italvega NR (for sale) / c80 French / 82 Raleigh Intl MkII f&f (for sale)/ 83 Trek 620 (for sale)/ 84 Bruce Gordon Chinook (for sale)/ 85 Ron Cooper / 87 Centurion IM MV (for sale) / 03 Casati Dardo / 08 BF IRO / 09 Dogma FPX / 09 Giant TCX0 / 10 Vassago Fisticuff








Ex Pres is offline  
Old 04-04-09, 09:03 AM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
jebensch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Medford, MA
Posts: 1,190

Bikes: Bob Jackson Super Tourer, '83 Trek 700, Gazelle Champ Mondial, Nishiki Comp II, Moto Grand Record, Peugeot UO-10 SS

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 4 Posts
Righteous build, Devotion! Especially considering the push for bossless, neon-Deep-V'd fixies here in Brooklyn. I'm curious what UBI is and if your buddy's shop is a bike shop?

I'll look for this classic on the loop!

Jesse
jebensch is offline  
Old 04-04-09, 09:45 AM
  #20  
Stop reading my posts!
 
unworthy1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 12,582
Mentioned: 90 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1443 Post(s)
Liked 1,062 Times in 787 Posts
Bravo!
and UBI is in Ashland, OR...United Bicycle Institute www.bikeschool.com
unworthy1 is offline  
Old 04-04-09, 09:46 AM
  #21  
Back In The Saddle
 
High Fist Shin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 2,318

Bikes: N+1

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 87 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 5 Posts
Beautiful bike. I need to get me some cork!

Thanks for sharing. That was a great story on the origin of the cork.
__________________
In life there are no mistakes, only lessons. -Shin
High Fist Shin is offline  
Old 04-04-09, 10:00 AM
  #22  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kansai
Posts: 1,683
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 9 Times in 9 Posts
That is impeccable!
robatsu is offline  
Old 04-04-09, 11:50 AM
  #23  
Designer
 
steppinthefunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,368
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Excelent work on the frame. I have seen some less than perfect first time scratch builts but yours looks great!

I too am working on something very similar. LIke yours it will have no front derailleur,a butchered Brooks and fenders but mine will be sporting a skinny three arm steel Campagnolo Gran Sport crank with Chater Lea chainring and lots of racks.

I would also like to know what kind of tires those are.
Thanks,
Jason
__________________
steppinthefunk is offline  
Old 04-04-09, 11:53 AM
  #24  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,307
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 62 Post(s)
Liked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Originally Posted by cudak888
P.S.: Track ends, with a derailer hanger? Best thing I've heard of in a long time!
I don't quite understand. Is this a specially made "track-end-with-built-in-dr-hanger" or is it just track ends with a clamp-to-axle hanger?

Awesome bike.
Roll-Monroe-Co is offline  
Old 04-04-09, 12:36 PM
  #25  
Senior Member
 
jet sanchEz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 8,067
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 947 Post(s)
Liked 850 Times in 386 Posts
She's a beaut'!

No need for a front derailleur?
jet sanchEz is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.