My Ciöcc Restoration Project
10-15-09, 03:50 AM
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My Ciöcc Restoration Project
First thread from me after trolling for a while. Anyway, I'm in the middle of refinishing a Ciöcc frame from 1973. It's the frame of a successful amateur named Musone. I found it in the back room of Giovanni Pellizoli's shop in Curno a few months back after an introduction from an ex team mechanic of mine. I've been documenting it with my hack video editing skills. Some background, Ciöcc information and the video can be found on my blog post here. I would've embedded the video here, but not sure if that's allowed!
Anyway, as far as the rebuild goes, I'd like to keep it as close to 1973 Nuovo Record as possible, but also don't want to break the bank. I found a '73 rear der already, the rest is still TBD. I know I don't want to do any pantrographing or drillium. Ultimately, I'd like to do l'Eroica and some local vintage rides/races on it.
Current state of the project is that we replaced the head tube due to damage. He had the original lugs, and they turned out perfect (maybe a little too perfect in relation to the seat cluster lug). It's been chromed and primed. The fork was made out of original tubing and lugs as well. It just went out to be chromed as well. Since I've always wanted a paneled bike, we found a photo of the graphic style used on his paneled frames back then. I chose red with off-white (not bright white - to create a bit of age) panels.
Sorry for the long post, just want to document my progress and offer any info to those Ciöcc fans out there.
ps - after reading the entire "Italian Job" thread, I decided to post and see what info I can glean from you experts out there!
Anyway, as far as the rebuild goes, I'd like to keep it as close to 1973 Nuovo Record as possible, but also don't want to break the bank. I found a '73 rear der already, the rest is still TBD. I know I don't want to do any pantrographing or drillium. Ultimately, I'd like to do l'Eroica and some local vintage rides/races on it.
Current state of the project is that we replaced the head tube due to damage. He had the original lugs, and they turned out perfect (maybe a little too perfect in relation to the seat cluster lug). It's been chromed and primed. The fork was made out of original tubing and lugs as well. It just went out to be chromed as well. Since I've always wanted a paneled bike, we found a photo of the graphic style used on his paneled frames back then. I chose red with off-white (not bright white - to create a bit of age) panels.
Sorry for the long post, just want to document my progress and offer any info to those Ciöcc fans out there.
ps - after reading the entire "Italian Job" thread, I decided to post and see what info I can glean from you experts out there!
10-15-09, 06:14 AM
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That was cool, thanks.
10-15-09, 06:52 AM
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OK, so images... just to prove it's real. I know many may not want to jump to a blog to watch a video!
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10-15-09, 07:20 AM
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Nice video thanks for sharing! I guess now I know how to pronounce ciocc.
10-15-09, 07:25 AM
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Looks like a great project. Frame looks great. Just wondering but why was the head tube replaced and are those the original lugs?
10-15-09, 07:33 AM
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Incredible! As a fellow reclaimed-from-rust Ciöcc owner myself, that was so wonderful to watch. I hope there's more to come! Giovanni seems like a genuinely nice and humble dude who loves his craft. I wish I'd been able to tag along.
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10-15-09, 07:56 AM
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In the end, all that chrome wouldn't have been 100% period-correct to the Ciöcc, and probably not too good looking to boot. I'm glad I went with the panels and less chrome. Also, contrary to the video, we've since decided that world champ stripes shouldn't border the panels, since that occurred four years after this frame!
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10-15-09, 09:47 AM
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Thanks for sharing! looking forward to the next release!
10-15-09, 11:09 AM
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+100!, Bravo for that great video, and keep up the good work!
It's great to see any early frame (and with Nervex Pro lugs, no less!), if I have anything in the way of NR parts with 1973 dates, I'll PM you.
It's great to see any early frame (and with Nervex Pro lugs, no less!), if I have anything in the way of NR parts with 1973 dates, I'll PM you.
10-15-09, 11:32 AM
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And you call YOUrself unworthy! I'm totally interested in '73 era stuff, even bar/stem, etc. Thanks!
10-15-09, 12:37 PM
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Her name was Maria Angelica - Italian, red, and Campy-equipped. Didn't have the fancy lugs but did have Mr. Pellizoli's sig on the top tube. Still have her downtube in my garage but the rest of her was ... disposed of after an unfortunate injury that was all my fault.
And MrJav - rode her on RAGBRAI too!
And MrJav - rode her on RAGBRAI too!
10-15-09, 12:50 PM
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Awesome! I am lucky enough to own two Ciöcc bicycles and I can tell you that the ride is amazing, you will love it. The lugs are beautiful, I had no idea that Ciöcc used such ornate lugs in their builds.
10-15-09, 02:01 PM
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Her name was Maria Angelica - Italian, red, and Campy-equipped. Didn't have the fancy lugs but did have Mr. Pellizoli's sig on the top tube. Still have her downtube in my garage but the rest of her was ... disposed of after an unfortunate injury that was all my fault.
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10-15-09, 10:40 PM
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PM sent regarding '73 FD.
Just a note: how come a '73 has the shorty rear dropouts? They were not available that early, were they?
Just a note: how come a '73 has the shorty rear dropouts? They were not available that early, were they?
10-15-09, 11:23 PM
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I'm FAR from an expert on it, and am only going on Giovanni's best estimation of the years that rider was active. What year would that have come out? I find it funny that he would have used a lugset that had been available for almost 25 years and a brand new rear dropout, but I guess that's the way it was done. I love learning about this type of stuff!
10-16-09, 01:01 AM
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I'm far from expert, too...but the Catalog 17 from 1975 still lists just the long 1010 and 1010A dropouts (plus the vertical DOs and "sport" stamped model).
The short DO appears in the 17a Catalog supplement, generally attributed to end of 1978 or early 1979 (also when Super Record was unveiled). Most folks say the short DOs indicate a late '70s frame, no earlier than '78...but, who knows?
I like the mix of the Nervex Pro headlugs (and just the top lug custom-trimmed) with later frame bits and the rider's name on the DO edges: it's completely unique!
The short DO appears in the 17a Catalog supplement, generally attributed to end of 1978 or early 1979 (also when Super Record was unveiled). Most folks say the short DOs indicate a late '70s frame, no earlier than '78...but, who knows?
I like the mix of the Nervex Pro headlugs (and just the top lug custom-trimmed) with later frame bits and the rider's name on the DO edges: it's completely unique!
10-16-09, 02:53 AM
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I'm far from expert, too...but the Catalog 17 from 1975 still lists just the long 1010 and 1010A dropouts (plus the vertical DOs and "sport" stamped model).
The short DO appears in the 17a Catalog supplement, generally attributed to end of 1978 or early 1979 (also when Super Record was unveiled). Most folks say the short DOs indicate a late '70s frame, no earlier than '78...but, who knows?
I like the mix of the Nervex Pro headlugs (and just the top lug custom-trimmed) with later frame bits and the rider's name on the DO edges: it's completely unique!
The short DO appears in the 17a Catalog supplement, generally attributed to end of 1978 or early 1979 (also when Super Record was unveiled). Most folks say the short DOs indicate a late '70s frame, no earlier than '78...but, who knows?
I like the mix of the Nervex Pro headlugs (and just the top lug custom-trimmed) with later frame bits and the rider's name on the DO edges: it's completely unique!
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Brilliant video, great topic.
Now I have to get my Italian speaking wife to listen to it...and maybe she'll let me go riding when we go to Italy in November.
Thank you. Can't wait for part 2.
Now I have to get my Italian speaking wife to listen to it...and maybe she'll let me go riding when we go to Italy in November.
Thank you. Can't wait for part 2.
10-16-09, 08:57 AM
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Whew... I just got outbid on that one-size-too-large Gianni Motta! Now I can seriously focus on this build and not the next one too! I have some non-carbon Record sitting about for a Renaissance build on an old Tommasini SL frame. Think I'll bring it over and drive it to Grosseto for the third time in its life for another respray.