the car as living room... the distracted driver problem
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the car as living room... the distracted driver problem
https://biccontrol.blogspot.com/2009/...istracted.html
We believe that the living room-mentality that many Americans get into while driving--that being the idea that because their cars are privately-owned objects an owner can do virtually whatever he/she wants inside the car while driving on a road--is due to a larger social-psychological/cultural phenomena connected to privatism; further enhanced by suburban privatism.
Privatism--the old American desire to have one's "own [private] slice of the pie" w/ a front-yard, rear-yard, garage, etc.--is the main idea that built the suburbs. Post-WWII nuclear-scare era thinking further propelled the planning/development of suburban planning; which built isolation and radical privatism into urban design. Low-density suburbs, where homes were built far away from the workplace, allowed automobiles to flourish and even facilitated automobile dependency. Automobiles, and mainstream-America's fascination w/ automobiles, is a physical extension of the ideas of privatism.
One of the problems of suburban privatism is that when in privately-owned automobiles, many motorists act like they're still in their own private living room, where they can casually make phone-calls, eat food, take pills, send emails, shave or put on makeup. These things are normal to do in living rooms (or bathrooms) and fine to do when in private-automobiles while on private-property (such as a driveway). However, when the 3,000 lb metal private-automobile and the motorist controlling it venture onto a public-road, those above-mentioned behaviors need to be curbed—most importantly, for the safety of other innocent road users (especially cyclists, who are particularly vulnerable).
Privatism--the old American desire to have one's "own [private] slice of the pie" w/ a front-yard, rear-yard, garage, etc.--is the main idea that built the suburbs. Post-WWII nuclear-scare era thinking further propelled the planning/development of suburban planning; which built isolation and radical privatism into urban design. Low-density suburbs, where homes were built far away from the workplace, allowed automobiles to flourish and even facilitated automobile dependency. Automobiles, and mainstream-America's fascination w/ automobiles, is a physical extension of the ideas of privatism.
One of the problems of suburban privatism is that when in privately-owned automobiles, many motorists act like they're still in their own private living room, where they can casually make phone-calls, eat food, take pills, send emails, shave or put on makeup. These things are normal to do in living rooms (or bathrooms) and fine to do when in private-automobiles while on private-property (such as a driveway). However, when the 3,000 lb metal private-automobile and the motorist controlling it venture onto a public-road, those above-mentioned behaviors need to be curbed—most importantly, for the safety of other innocent road users (especially cyclists, who are particularly vulnerable).
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The car pc should also be able to lock the transmission into park as soon as it is booted.
I cannot remember ever wishing I could burn a DVD while I'm driving. Man.....That's nearly the stupidist thing I have ever seen.
I cannot remember ever wishing I could burn a DVD while I'm driving. Man.....That's nearly the stupidist thing I have ever seen.
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There's WAAAAY too much comfort and entertainment allowed and available in the cabin of the average car! I wouldn't object to an interlock that only allowed the radio controls to be adjusted at speeds of less than 5mph, as well as an extension of the little gadget that 'observes' the driver's eyes -- not enough movement, it alarms the driver (under the supposition of sleepy driving); it should start the engine missing/chugging if the driver's eyes are off the road for too long. I'd LMAO at that!
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People commute longer and have multiple jobs to make ends meet. A dash board computer to burn a DVD might be useful for someone is sales that needs to make copies of things on the road.
The problem is not the cars it is things like zoning laws and taxation policy that forces people to live in a certain manner.
The problem is not the cars it is things like zoning laws and taxation policy that forces people to live in a certain manner.
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Distracted driving has been around for some time, it's that every year, car manufacturers keep adding more interior electronics to a vehicle which only acerbates the problem. Case in point, I had to listen to a conversation between my mother and my sister on how to operate the interior components on my sister's newer fully optioned vehicle, which ended up being one of considerable length.
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I still remember getting a giant kick out of seeing some luxury car ad where they proudly proclaimed to the world "The world's first sound proof cabin in an automobile" showing all the nasty, evil noises outside in the real world. Construction, cars honking, peds screaming, traffic cops yelling STOP, etc etc. I think the ad ran once or twice on TV and then the whole campaign went belly up due to the obvious idiocy of the entire concept/product.
To think the manufacturer went to the whole length of concept, design, prototyping, to tooling and putting it on the production line and paying for massive ad coverage without anyone in house saying 'uh....boss, this isn't safe at all you know...in fact it might be illegal in some places.' Just shows where their heads are at.
To think the manufacturer went to the whole length of concept, design, prototyping, to tooling and putting it on the production line and paying for massive ad coverage without anyone in house saying 'uh....boss, this isn't safe at all you know...in fact it might be illegal in some places.' Just shows where their heads are at.
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One of the tv ads that remember most was one about distracted driving. The tv ad was for an auto insurance company, it started off by having the viewer looking through a car window, then over a 20 second period, it gradually pans back to show a car traveling down a freeway at speed with apparently no driver inside. In the last few seconds of the tv ad, the driver pops up with a CD, that he picked up off the passenger side floor, blows/wipes off the CD and fumbles with it when in the process of inserting the CD in the car stereo. The tv insurance ad then ends with tag line of "We're here, because they're out there".
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In modern society, technology has made it so you can rewind or pause everything.
TV shows and movies have pause and rewind ability, messengers/chat/and texting have a built in pause and replay ability.
Those and other 'advances' have made it so if you get distracted you can always scan back over what you've missed and pick up where you left off, So there is no 'hit' for not paying attention.
That whole mindset crosses over to 'real' life in nearly every situation. At work, driving, hanging with friends etc.
At work, I have an emergency calls only policy, be surprised at what some people try to pass off as an emergency. (people sneaking off to make phone calls steal a LOT of time from employers)
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Some cars do have the radio controls on the steering wheel so your hands never have to leave the wheel, but since there is no display you still have to look at the radio.
In modern society, technology has made it so you can rewind or pause everything.
TV shows and movies have pause and rewind ability, messengers/chat/and texting have a built in pause and replay ability.
Those and other 'advances' have made it so if you get distracted you can always scan back over what you've missed and pick up where you left off, So there is no 'hit' for not paying attention.
That whole mindset crosses over to 'real' life in nearly every situation. At work, driving, hanging with friends etc.
At work, I have an emergency calls only policy, be surprised at what some people try to pass off as an emergency. (people sneaking off to make phone calls steal a LOT of time from employers)
Ken.
In modern society, technology has made it so you can rewind or pause everything.
TV shows and movies have pause and rewind ability, messengers/chat/and texting have a built in pause and replay ability.
Those and other 'advances' have made it so if you get distracted you can always scan back over what you've missed and pick up where you left off, So there is no 'hit' for not paying attention.
That whole mindset crosses over to 'real' life in nearly every situation. At work, driving, hanging with friends etc.
At work, I have an emergency calls only policy, be surprised at what some people try to pass off as an emergency. (people sneaking off to make phone calls steal a LOT of time from employers)
Ken.
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People commute longer and have multiple jobs to make ends meet. A dash board computer to burn a DVD might be useful for someone is sales that needs to make copies of things on the road.
The problem is not the cars it is things like zoning laws and taxation policy that forces people to live in a certain manner.
The problem is not the cars it is things like zoning laws and taxation policy that forces people to live in a certain manner.
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Passenger seat laptop use.....nice one. *reach in and send it flying*
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Some cars do have the radio controls on the steering wheel so your hands never have to leave the wheel, but since there is no display you still have to look at the radio.
In modern society, technology has made it so you can rewind or pause everything.
TV shows and movies have pause and rewind ability, messengers/chat/and texting have a built in pause and replay ability.
Those and other 'advances' have made it so if you get distracted you can always scan back over what you've missed and pick up where you left off, So there is no 'hit' for not paying attention.
That whole mindset crosses over to 'real' life in nearly every situation. At work, driving, hanging with friends etc.
At work, I have an emergency calls only policy, be surprised at what some people try to pass off as an emergency. (people sneaking off to make phone calls steal a LOT of time from employers)
Ken.
In modern society, technology has made it so you can rewind or pause everything.
TV shows and movies have pause and rewind ability, messengers/chat/and texting have a built in pause and replay ability.
Those and other 'advances' have made it so if you get distracted you can always scan back over what you've missed and pick up where you left off, So there is no 'hit' for not paying attention.
That whole mindset crosses over to 'real' life in nearly every situation. At work, driving, hanging with friends etc.
At work, I have an emergency calls only policy, be surprised at what some people try to pass off as an emergency. (people sneaking off to make phone calls steal a LOT of time from employers)
Ken.
That way when it comes to things like GPS', stereo's, etc. (but NOT computers/cell phones/PDA's/PPC's) it could be displayed for a couple of seconds so that the driver wouldn't have to take their eyes off of the road. And it could be programed so that once activated that it can't be activated again for several minutes. That way a driver cannot keep it on the screen for an extended length of time.
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I'm almost certain somebody tried it, but it was deemed way too interfering for the application. A driver simply doesn't need that much data superimposed over vision. Fighter pilots have targeting systems that interact with the motion of the eye. Now when we get to the point of look-and-shoot in cars...
https://www.canadiandriver.com/2002/1...p-displays.htm
from 2002
https://www.canadiandriver.com/2002/1...p-displays.htm
from 2002
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The problem here is that the maker says "people will pull over before adjusting our gizmo" and then when it comes down to it, actual users don't do so.
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There's WAAAAY too much comfort and entertainment allowed and available in the cabin of the average car! I wouldn't object to an interlock that only allowed the radio controls to be adjusted at speeds of less than 5mph, as well as an extension of the little gadget that 'observes' the driver's eyes -- not enough movement, it alarms the driver (under the supposition of sleepy driving); it should start the engine missing/chugging if the driver's eyes are off the road for too long. I'd LMAO at that!
Well tell me....
(1) when was the last time YOU slowed down to 5 MPH before ya hit the radio button? Tell me ytou only change the channel while waiting at light....
(2) By the way they have voice activated radio/cd/and GPS systems. I am sure you have one of these, right?
Face it...comfort in the vehicle makes cars even more appealing, which is why the give the anti-car luddites a hissy fit. Many features which add comfort add safety as well. Alot of newer cars have controls on or near the steering wheel, for example.
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There was a recent piece of research in the UK that showed the most common reasons for accidents/near misses were the following:
1. mobile phones: reading/writing text messages + phoning
2. passengers - especially children
3. in car distractions : audio system, ipod
4. attempting to use unfamiliar car controls
1. mobile phones: reading/writing text messages + phoning
2. passengers - especially children
3. in car distractions : audio system, ipod
4. attempting to use unfamiliar car controls
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Just a couple weeks ago I was in rush hour traffic with the family in the car. I zipcar so I'm never terribly intimate with the dash clusters. I wanted to change the radio, took a couple pokes and then just asked my wife to do it. Had she not been there I'd have either endured the bad music or turned it off.
When I get into a zipcar I haven't driven before I ALWAYS get familiar with the controls before I leave the parking spot..... lights/mirrors/wipers/heat and hazard lights
When I get into a zipcar I haven't driven before I ALWAYS get familiar with the controls before I leave the parking spot..... lights/mirrors/wipers/heat and hazard lights
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Yes, that would be alright. Configuring such as dragging and dropping the files needed to be burned and formatting, etc. should be done with the car stationary. The actual burning can take place while the car is burning. But after the initial setup the driver should not be interacting with the computer.
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Wouldn't somebody just do this with a laptop in the car? Why would you want it built in?
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Well tell me....
(1) when was the last time YOU slowed down to 5 MPH before ya hit the radio button? Tell me ytou only change the channel while waiting at light....
(2) By the way they have voice activated radio/cd/and GPS systems. I am sure you have one of these, right?
Face it...comfort in the vehicle makes cars even more appealing, which is why the give the anti-car luddites a hissy fit. Many features which add comfort add safety as well. Alot of newer cars have controls on or near the steering wheel, for example.
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(1) when was the last time YOU slowed down to 5 MPH before ya hit the radio button? Tell me ytou only change the channel while waiting at light....
(2) By the way they have voice activated radio/cd/and GPS systems. I am sure you have one of these, right?
Face it...comfort in the vehicle makes cars even more appealing, which is why the give the anti-car luddites a hissy fit. Many features which add comfort add safety as well. Alot of newer cars have controls on or near the steering wheel, for example.
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I tend to drive with widows down, so I am less isolated from the outside environment.
I use presets on the radio and can find the buttons through muscle memory just as easily as I find my pedals when clipping in.
Frankly, I don't have to take my eyes off the road for anything... and I don't drive in a manner in which split second timing is normally required. I "drive friendly" and I leave lots of room... period.
Now, if more drivers drove like I do, instead of trying to speed to their destinations, while weaving in and out of traffic, with one eye on the road, one hand and one ear on the phone, the other eye on the video display and the windows rolled up to isolate them from the environment... with the stereo up loud... maybe we wouldn't even have 40,000 motorist deaths a year... and I can't remember how many million collisions... eh?
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Could the vibration of driving screw up a burn? Hitting a big enough pothole could slam the read/write heads against the disk platter surface ..wrecking your HD.