View Poll Results: Helmet wearing habits?
I've never worn a bike helmet
178
10.66%
I used to wear a helmet, but have stopped
94
5.63%
I've always worn a helmet
648
38.80%
I didn't wear a helmet, but now do
408
24.43%
I sometimes wear a helmet depending on the conditions
342
20.48%
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The helmet thread
11-14-12, 07:09 AM
#4176
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And then they lecture you about helmet use???
I don't really know you, but I can only imagine your reaction and wish desperately that someone, sometime would get a video of it...
If I ever hear of a cyclist being assaulted by another cyclist, beating them with a frame pump, you'll come first to mind...
11-14-12, 09:09 AM
#4177
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Got it. In that case, please refer to the quote which shows up beneath all your posts.
If accidents skew toward those who don't wear helmets because of their inexperience, of course reportage will indicate such.
In order for that statistic to be true, helmeted riders would have to crash at the same rate as unhelmeted riders. Do you know that this is the case? Because if you don't, that statistic does not mean what you think it does...
If accidents skew toward those who don't wear helmets because of their inexperience, of course reportage will indicate such.
In order for that statistic to be true, helmeted riders would have to crash at the same rate as unhelmeted riders. Do you know that this is the case? Because if you don't, that statistic does not mean what you think it does...
EDIT; As for experienced and non experienced riders accident rates, I don't think it has any bearing on the question of whether a helmet helps or hurts in an actual accident. JMO
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11-14-12, 09:54 AM
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11-14-12, 08:28 PM
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Disability? No I don't think so... I tend to think outside of the box and have strong viewpoints and say what I think about the subject I'm talking about, but I do try to be courteous/civil even when being contrary, and try to respect others viewpoint's... How-about you? Calling people A-Holes just because they say something that you don't agree with seems like maybe a problem...?
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11-14-12, 09:52 PM
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11-15-12, 03:07 AM
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Yes, I agree... My 4.5 number is from incomplete data and assumes the ratio of helmeted and non-helmeted riders was 50/50, one would need to know the total accidents that happened with serious head injuries and the ratio of helmeted and non-helmeted riders involved. I'm 100% sure that if those numbers were available the 4.5 number would rise significantly.
Have a look at this. As you will see, between 1986 and 2000 the casualty rates for cyclists and pedestrians declined at similar rates. In fact, for pedestrians it declined slightly faster than for cyclists, despite the fact that during the period, increasing numbers of cyclists started wearing helmets, while pedestrians did not. In the light of this data, your 100% confidence that helmeted riders are more than 4.5 times safer than the unhelmeted looks pretty ridiculous.
11-15-12, 08:21 AM
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For those of you who don't want to wear a helmet, and don't want to mess up your hair, there is now an alternative.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1784264.html
I was googling "Swedish bicycle helmet" when I found out about this. Now, if people in Sweden did not think there was a problem with bicycle head injuries, why in the world would they finance developing an "invisible helmet." So now when you look at those videos of people in Sweden bicycling bare-headed, look closely to see whether they are wearing something around their neck.
John
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1784264.html
I was googling "Swedish bicycle helmet" when I found out about this. Now, if people in Sweden did not think there was a problem with bicycle head injuries, why in the world would they finance developing an "invisible helmet." So now when you look at those videos of people in Sweden bicycling bare-headed, look closely to see whether they are wearing something around their neck.
John
11-15-12, 09:26 AM
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11-15-12, 12:11 PM
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"people in Sweden" did not think anything about this. Some entrepreneurs had an idea and were able to market up some seed money from venture capitalists who thought they might make a couple of kronor on the deal. If you think that this represents some informed opinion on bicycle safety or head trauma, boy have I got a Kickstarter project to sell you.
You guys get way too serious about comparing the USA and places like Sweden. You may want to watch this video, as it shows the device in a bit different manner. Also, the last statement in very interesting.https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_781575.html
John
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11-15-12, 01:08 PM
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Saw the video, John. In fact, I requested the crash data or a summary thereof from the entrepreneurs, as evidence (beyond cool-looking video) that their device provided necessary protection.
I'm still waiting for a response. Which means either their research is bull****, their results are bull**** or the whole thing is bull****. People who are confident of their research, and not just trying to sell a product, publish their research.
These people have nothing of value for the cyclist. But, if you want to make-believe in the absence of data, be my guest.
11-15-12, 01:44 PM
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How on earth did this not get posted here...?
Objecting to Australia's ridiculous bicycle helmet laws has led to my licence being suspended and property seized
Just over a year ago, my property was seized and shortly afterwards my driver's licence suspended, because I'd refused to wear a bicycle helmet in Australia....
Objecting to Australia's ridiculous bicycle helmet laws has led to my licence being suspended and property seized
Just over a year ago, my property was seized and shortly afterwards my driver's licence suspended, because I'd refused to wear a bicycle helmet in Australia....
11-15-12, 03:01 PM
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In this entire thread of 4,186 posts, Sweden has been mentioned exactly 12 times. Five of those occurrences were as a result of your most recent post. So, no, your statement is false.
Saw the video, John. In fact, I requested the crash data or a summary thereof from the entrepreneurs, as evidence (beyond cool-looking video) that their device provided necessary protection.
I'm still waiting for a response. Which means either their research is bull****, their results are bull**** or the whole thing is bull****. People who are confident of their research, and not just trying to sell a product, publish their research.
These people have nothing of value for the cyclist. But, if you want to make-believe in the absence of data, be my guest.
Saw the video, John. In fact, I requested the crash data or a summary thereof from the entrepreneurs, as evidence (beyond cool-looking video) that their device provided necessary protection.
I'm still waiting for a response. Which means either their research is bull****, their results are bull**** or the whole thing is bull****. People who are confident of their research, and not just trying to sell a product, publish their research.
These people have nothing of value for the cyclist. But, if you want to make-believe in the absence of data, be my guest.
Now, before you call these people names, give them a few days to respond. You are not their priority. Also, remember the time difference. I think you e-mailed them after work hours; it's 10:00 PM in Stockholm right now, according to my iPhone.
John
11-15-12, 03:46 PM
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A few days? I contacted them months ago, John. This product isn't exactly new; the youtube videos have been up 4-5 months, at least.
11-15-12, 04:11 PM
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11-15-12, 07:30 PM
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11-15-12, 08:44 PM
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Disability? No I don't think so... I tend to think outside of the box and have strong viewpoints and say what I think about the subject I'm talking about, but I do try to be courteous/civil even when being contrary, and try to respect others viewpoint's... How-about you? Calling people A-Holes just because they say something that you don't agree with seems like maybe a problem...?
11-15-12, 08:48 PM
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Sure, I can just see it now: some newb bike rider wobbling along on their brand new hybrid, tch-tch-ing and giving you the stank-eye, who don't even know enough to recognize by your riding style, comfort on the bike, and equipment that you have decades of experience, also not realizing that experience counts for much more than a helmet where bike safety is concerned.
And then they lecture you about helmet use???
I don't really know you, but I can only imagine your reaction and wish desperately that someone, sometime would get a video of it...
If I ever hear of a cyclist being assaulted by another cyclist, beating them with a frame pump, you'll come first to mind...
And then they lecture you about helmet use???
I don't really know you, but I can only imagine your reaction and wish desperately that someone, sometime would get a video of it...
If I ever hear of a cyclist being assaulted by another cyclist, beating them with a frame pump, you'll come first to mind...
I still want to be left alone re. helmet use, though...
11-15-12, 09:30 PM
#4194
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Well you are visiting the wrong thread for that...
No you didn't call me, or anyone else in particular an A-Hole, just everyone that thinks wearing a helmet is a good idea... 
You seem pretty hung up on the A-hole thing. You should note that I didn't call anybody in particular an A-hole (and your piety is tainted by the fact that you're coming quite a bit closer to calling me names than I am to you.) Now, if you're choosing to self-identify, that's your therapist's problem, not mine.
11-15-12, 09:54 PM
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The issue is who you think I called an A-hole. I'd invite you to re-read the post but I doubt that would help. Do you have a responsible adult handy?
11-15-12, 10:21 PM
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11-15-12, 10:53 PM
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Well, I wonder if anyone/how many would answer me, "if" I made a statement about non-helmet riders and them lecturing me about my helmet views and I called them A-Holes when they keep telling me to wear a helmet in the shower, while walking, going up a ladder, in my car,... I wonder what kind of answers I would receive to a statement like that? Just an example guys...