Streets in South and West noted as especially dangerous
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Streets in South and West noted as especially dangerous
https://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...estrian_deaths
Salt Lake City Safer Than Tampa, Fla.
Thu Dec 2, 6:34 AM ET
U.S. National - AP
By LESLIE MILLER, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Cities in the South and West are the most dangerous for pedestrians, with four in Florida earning the dubious distinction of being the deadliest of all.
A private study released Thursday concluded that sprawling, newer cities in the South and West tend to be built with wide, high-speed roads that are especially dangerous for walking.
"So much of our transportation system is designed for cars and only cars," said Anne Canby, president of the Surface Transportation Policy Project, which issued the report. The group advocates balanced transportation.
The report found that the 9,746 walkers who died in 2002-2003 were more likely to be killed on busy streets without crosswalks. Nearly 40 percent died where crosswalks weren't available.
"Wide roads, speeding traffic and a lack of crosswalks or sidewalks can make walking a deadly activity," the report said. "There simply are not enough pedestrian facilities."
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Granted this report is focusing on pedestrians trying cross the streets, but of course the same streets that are "designed for cars" may not be built for bikes, especially with the wide fast streets they seem to be discussing here... the "urban highways" that really do not lend themselves to cyclists needing to "take a lane."
Salt Lake City Safer Than Tampa, Fla.
Thu Dec 2, 6:34 AM ET
U.S. National - AP
By LESLIE MILLER, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Cities in the South and West are the most dangerous for pedestrians, with four in Florida earning the dubious distinction of being the deadliest of all.
A private study released Thursday concluded that sprawling, newer cities in the South and West tend to be built with wide, high-speed roads that are especially dangerous for walking.
"So much of our transportation system is designed for cars and only cars," said Anne Canby, president of the Surface Transportation Policy Project, which issued the report. The group advocates balanced transportation.
The report found that the 9,746 walkers who died in 2002-2003 were more likely to be killed on busy streets without crosswalks. Nearly 40 percent died where crosswalks weren't available.
"Wide roads, speeding traffic and a lack of crosswalks or sidewalks can make walking a deadly activity," the report said. "There simply are not enough pedestrian facilities."
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Granted this report is focusing on pedestrians trying cross the streets, but of course the same streets that are "designed for cars" may not be built for bikes, especially with the wide fast streets they seem to be discussing here... the "urban highways" that really do not lend themselves to cyclists needing to "take a lane."
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I think these wide fast streets are probably safer for cyclists, because they usually have wider lanes and fewer intersections. Difference in speed isnt a problem if the bike and car arent trying to use the same space at the same time.
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Originally Posted by genec
https://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...estrian_deaths
The report found that the 9,746 walkers who died in 2002-2003 were more likely to be killed on busy streets without crosswalks. Nearly 40 percent died where crosswalks weren't available.
"Wide roads, speeding traffic and a lack of crosswalks or sidewalks can make walking a deadly activity," the report said. "There simply are not enough pedestrian facilities."
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The report found that the 9,746 walkers who died in 2002-2003 were more likely to be killed on busy streets without crosswalks. Nearly 40 percent died where crosswalks weren't available.
"Wide roads, speeding traffic and a lack of crosswalks or sidewalks can make walking a deadly activity," the report said. "There simply are not enough pedestrian facilities."
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The Florida cities have topped this list for at least twenty years.
Geriatric peds, geriatric motorists. A lethal combination.
Geriatric peds, geriatric motorists. A lethal combination.
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I think that generally, streets that are safer for pedestrians tend to be safer for cyclists. If only because cars must slow more frequently for pedestrians in the crosswalk. I know that Atlanta roads, whether you are talking about the suburbs or downtown, were definitely not built with either pedestrians or cyclists in mind. I was shocked at how much more pedestrian friendly Chicago was when I visited there in '99 and 02; and I've heard some residents of that city complaining it is not pedestrian or bike friendly. The lack of sidewalks and crosswalks in Atlanta is slowly being remedied in more affluent areas, as a whole I don't think we will ever be pedestrian or bike friendly in my lifetime.
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The negative comments about pedestrian and bicycle safety in Florida match my perceptions and personal biases.
San Diego County tends to be bicycle- and pedestrian-friendly, but there are some glaringly dangerous intersections and a few dangerous streets, as well.
San Diego County tends to be bicycle- and pedestrian-friendly, but there are some glaringly dangerous intersections and a few dangerous streets, as well.
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No offense, but didn't we already know this.
"So much of our transportation system is designed for cars and only cars,"
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I found the San Jose area to be pretty well equipped for cycling at least...for pedestrians it's ok as well. However, there are some drivers that still need to improve their passing and cognitive skills...
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Originally Posted by operator
No offense, but didn't we already know this.
One would think that in the "new cities" mentioned in the article that some resource would be made available for bikes and people. Otherwise the darn places are just huge strip malls. (and frankly some cities are just that)
Regarding the wide multilane roads being potentially good for cyclists... Uh, not hardly... it tends to be rather difficult for one to "take a lane" when the traffic is zipping along at 50MPH. Sorry, but the cars just do not accomodate. I would rather be in dense downtown 25MPH traffic.
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Originally Posted by MERTON
ain't florida in the east?
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Originally Posted by genec
... Regarding the wide multilane roads being potentially good for cyclists... Uh, not hardly... it tends to be rather difficult for one to "take a lane" when the traffic is zipping along at 50MPH. Sorry, but the cars just do not accomodate. I would rather be in dense downtown 25MPH traffic.
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Originally Posted by John E
I concur. When I lived in Los Angeles, with its well-connected grid of streets, I sought out routes on calm, slow side streets. Unfortunately, in San Diego County one must often use one or more major arterials to get from point A to point B, because the local streets are not widely connected.
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Originally Posted by AndrewP
I think these wide fast streets are probably safer for cyclists, because they usually have wider lanes and fewer intersections. Difference in speed isnt a problem if the bike and car arent trying to use the same space at the same time.
In theory, there might be a way to ride a bicycle on such roads, and live to tell about it. However, I have yet to see anyone attempt this feat.
These same neighborhoods generally lack sidewalks. School buses, belching smoke, come to each corner or house to pick up the often chubby, usually out-of-shape kids such neighborhoods tend to produce.
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Originally Posted by caloso
...eastern Sacramento County and Placer County, it's suburban hell. If not for the American River Bike Trail, it would be impossible to get anywhere without having to ride one of the boulevards.
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Coincidentally, Placer County is the fastest growing county in California and one of the fastest growing in the country.
It's like Orange County North, except without any county-wide planning. And that's a slam on Placer, not the O.C.
It's like Orange County North, except without any county-wide planning. And that's a slam on Placer, not the O.C.
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Placer is also the #1 GOP county in California, with more registered Republicans than Orange County. OC north furshir.