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Windsor Tourist
Is this a good bike? Is it a good deal at $549? https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting
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Originally Posted by x2mars
Is this a good bike? Is it a good deal at $549? https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting
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Originally Posted by tourbike
Looks good to me, and apparently new, looking at the components. Tour-ready too, for the most part (needs a front rack, possibly). The photos didn't load so well for me so I wasn't able to look at all the details, but for $549, +$40 for shipping, I think $600 isn't too much to pay for a tour ready bike. You might wanna snap it up fast though, or somebody on this forum might nab it before you. I wouldn't tho...
Free-for-all on the Windsor, everyone?
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The main problem I see is the over-the-top sales pitch. The seller says it is a high grade touring bike like a Trek 520 or a Rivendell Atlantis. And that the Windsor bike would list for $1495.
To me it looks like a step below an REI Randonee, and that lists for about $900.
I have a Trek 1200 sport tourer with Tiagra shifting, generic hubs and brakes, and a carbon fork that I got for $720 new. And it came from a bike shop that helps me with any problems.
The Windsor bike has unnamed and probably generic hubs, rims, seatpost, stem, handlebars and rear rack. And the crankset with 52-42-30 chainrings is a little overgeared for heavy loaded touring in hilly areas (for many but not all riders.)
It might be a good deal. But in my opinion, not a fantastic deal.
To me it looks like a step below an REI Randonee, and that lists for about $900.
I have a Trek 1200 sport tourer with Tiagra shifting, generic hubs and brakes, and a carbon fork that I got for $720 new. And it came from a bike shop that helps me with any problems.
The Windsor bike has unnamed and probably generic hubs, rims, seatpost, stem, handlebars and rear rack. And the crankset with 52-42-30 chainrings is a little overgeared for heavy loaded touring in hilly areas (for many but not all riders.)
It might be a good deal. But in my opinion, not a fantastic deal.
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Originally Posted by bradw
The Windsor bike has unnamed and probably generic hubs, rims, seatpost, stem, handlebars and rear rack. And the crankset with 52-42-30 chainrings is a little overgeared for heavy loaded touring in hilly areas (for many but not all riders.)
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Originally Posted by bradw
The main problem I see is the over-the-top sales pitch. The seller says it is a high grade touring bike like a Trek 520 or a Rivendell Atlantis. And that the Windsor bike would list for $1495.
Sorry for my initial enthusiam, I have been looking for good deal on a bike for some time, and you have to admit on first glance it does look clean.
So, I change my opinion to no, it isn't a good deal.
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Several of the Windsor bikes are built in the same factory that builds Fuji bikes, and this looks essentially similar to the Fuji Touring, which I've been very happy with. Thing is, you can get a Fuji Touring for just about the same pricepoint if you've got a local dealer, and that would come with all the support associated with buying from a local dealer...
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I guess if I was had some build skills it might be worth checking out. But I'm going to need a shop to help me get a touring bike set up.
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The Cycle Spectrum chain of bike stores, its webstore Bikesdirect, and their E-Bay operations (under a variety of names) seem to be a major source in the USA for Fuji, Motebecane, Mercier and Windsor. In fact, I have not seen 2004 model Motebecane, Mercier or Windsor bikes sold new by anyone NOT affiliated with the Cycle Spectrum family. They have two or three other brands that also function as sort of "house brands".
www.bikesdirect.com
Still, if someone is unable to locate a Fuji Touring, its Windsor "brother" might be a tempting alternative. Comparing the "Windsor" E-Bay ad to the Fuji 2005 and 2004 "specs", the Windsor seems to combine the 2004 Fuji frame with the 2005 Fuji components. The Fuji has a "list" price of $840, putting the "street price" at $700 to $800.
If someone buys a Windor from Cycle Spectrum, the bike would be covered by that chain's "lifetime free service" policy, that covers labor for repairs.
www.bikesdirect.com
Still, if someone is unable to locate a Fuji Touring, its Windsor "brother" might be a tempting alternative. Comparing the "Windsor" E-Bay ad to the Fuji 2005 and 2004 "specs", the Windsor seems to combine the 2004 Fuji frame with the 2005 Fuji components. The Fuji has a "list" price of $840, putting the "street price" at $700 to $800.
If someone buys a Windor from Cycle Spectrum, the bike would be covered by that chain's "lifetime free service" policy, that covers labor for repairs.
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Originally Posted by brokenrobot
Several of the Windsor bikes are built in the same factory that builds Fuji bikes, and this looks essentially similar to the Fuji Touring, which I've been very happy with. Thing is, you can get a Fuji Touring for just about the same pricepoint if you've got a local dealer, and that would come with all the support associated with buying from a local dealer...
I bought my Fuji on sale at Performance for a little over $600, which I thought was a good deal. Other places were selling it for $700-800.
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Read the warranty on https://www.windsorbicycles.com/warranty.htm
Your options are limited if there are problems with the frame. You might have to ship the bike quite far for repairs:
"The frame to be replaced would be required to be delivered to Dallas, Texas; Bristol, England; Ottawa, Canada; or Brisbane, Australia at our direction."
Furthermore, you would have to pay for shipping in both directions:
"Customers are responsible for all carriage charges."
Because you would be buying from another person, you are not even eligible for the warranty!
"This warranty is limited to the original retail purchaser of the cycle and covers only defects in materials and workmanship."
This is not a good deal, in my opinion.
Your options are limited if there are problems with the frame. You might have to ship the bike quite far for repairs:
"The frame to be replaced would be required to be delivered to Dallas, Texas; Bristol, England; Ottawa, Canada; or Brisbane, Australia at our direction."
Furthermore, you would have to pay for shipping in both directions:
"Customers are responsible for all carriage charges."
Because you would be buying from another person, you are not even eligible for the warranty!
"This warranty is limited to the original retail purchaser of the cycle and covers only defects in materials and workmanship."
This is not a good deal, in my opinion.
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So, has anyone here actually ever ridden one f these?
It seems that all comments have been essntially based on speculation (informed in some case, but still having nevr ridden one...speculation).
I was also intrigued by this bike (comparing it to a trek 520 at about half the price), but wanted to find out what someone who has one or has ridden one has to say.
I have seen a lot of them on ebay new...none seem to be appearing used...so what does that suggest?
It seems that all comments have been essntially based on speculation (informed in some case, but still having nevr ridden one...speculation).
I was also intrigued by this bike (comparing it to a trek 520 at about half the price), but wanted to find out what someone who has one or has ridden one has to say.
I have seen a lot of them on ebay new...none seem to be appearing used...so what does that suggest?
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Originally Posted by gregling
I have seen a lot of them on ebay new...none seem to be appearing used...so what does that suggest?
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I'm almost positive that it is a rebadged fuji touring. If you do a search for kenda eurotrek tires, almost nothing will come up. It seems that these tires only come on the fuji touring and the windsor tourist.
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Originally Posted by FOG
Those who buy them don't resell them, perhaps because they haven't joined the bike of the month club.
Originally Posted by Prg146
I'm almost positive that it is a rebadged fuji touring. If you do a search for kenda eurotrek tires, almost nothing will come up. It seems that these tires only come on the fuji touring and the windsor tourist.
They share distribution through bikesdirect which is probably why they have similar component spec.
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Originally Posted by halfspeed
Not likely. The geometry is different. They don't even come in the same sizes.
They share distribution through bikesdirect which is probably why they have similar component spec.
They share distribution through bikesdirect which is probably why they have similar component spec.
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Originally Posted by halfspeed
Not likely. The geometry is different. They don't even come in the same sizes.
https://www.fujibikes.com/2005/bikes.asp?id=22
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Originally Posted by gregling
So, has anyone here actually ever ridden one f these?
It seems that all comments have been essntially based on speculation (informed in some case, but still having nevr ridden one...speculation).
I was also intrigued by this bike (comparing it to a trek 520 at about half the price), but wanted to find out what someone who has one or has ridden one has to say.
I have seen a lot of them on ebay new...none seem to be appearing used...so what does that suggest?
It seems that all comments have been essntially based on speculation (informed in some case, but still having nevr ridden one...speculation).
I was also intrigued by this bike (comparing it to a trek 520 at about half the price), but wanted to find out what someone who has one or has ridden one has to say.
I have seen a lot of them on ebay new...none seem to be appearing used...so what does that suggest?
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My brother has a Windsor Kennet and I have a Mercier Aquilla. BOth road bikes, not tour bikes, but we both got them from Cycle spectrum.
We are both pretty happy with our bikes.
If I could afford it I would be tempted to buy the tourist as I am wanting a tour bike.
We are both pretty happy with our bikes.
If I could afford it I would be tempted to buy the tourist as I am wanting a tour bike.
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Originally Posted by rnagaoka
FWIW...it does appear that the "Windsor" frames--43cm, 49cm, 54cm, 58cm, 64cm--are the same sizes as the Fuji website. Not sure about the other specs, though.
https://www.fujibikes.com/2005/bikes.asp?id=22
https://www.fujibikes.com/2005/bikes.asp?id=22
It looks like Windsor just has a couple of frames, one steel one alu, that they just spec and paint differently to come up with different models.
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Originally Posted by halfspeed
I don't know where you see that. According to https://www.windsorbicycles.com/cromoly.htm, the Windsor Tourist comes in 49, 53, 56, 59, and 62. Even on the one size that matches, 49cm, the geometry is different. They aren't the same bike.
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Originally Posted by rnagaoka
I got my Windsor sizing from the OP's eBay link. You're right, though...I would think the Windsor site is going to be the real numbers. (but that spokeholder still makes me suspicious that it's a re-badged Fuji )
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The Windsor and the Fuji are the same? unless someone is fudging the numbers they are very different. the Fuji claims 44 cm chainstays with 69-73 head/ 73 seat angles. That is classic touring bike geometry
The Windsor website claims 42 cm chainstays with 73-75/73 angles, that is sport bike geometry not touring geometry. Brazeons and spoke holders alone don't make a touring bike
BTW. The savy tourist puts his spokes wrapped in foam inside the seat post and lodged in with a wine cork They stay nice and clean and you can carry several more
The Windsor website claims 42 cm chainstays with 73-75/73 angles, that is sport bike geometry not touring geometry. Brazeons and spoke holders alone don't make a touring bike
BTW. The savy tourist puts his spokes wrapped in foam inside the seat post and lodged in with a wine cork They stay nice and clean and you can carry several more
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Much stuff sold on ebay is listed by dealers; take a look at the sellers of all these ebay Windsor bikes and I bet they are mostly from the same seller.
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I bought one of these.
I am most definitely NOT a bike expert.
It was available in Very Large frame size.
And came with slightly larger tires.
I am 6' 2" and about 195 lbs.
I ride very much on the 3' just off the road-side.
I don't know where you ride.
But, if you ride on the roadsides,
then you know the garbage that is there.
And how much fun it is trying to avoid it.
It can be very rough and gravelly sometimes too.
So, I definitely wanted at least the 32mm tires.
I have put about 750 miles on it so far.
I can tell you to this point my likes and dislikes.
Pluses .....
1) Seems to be a relatively comfortable seat.
And the covering on the handlebars has a great feel.
2) Bike frame seems to absorb road shock pretty well.
This was a very pleasant surprise.
3) That little tray/carrier on the back .....
Is very lightweight and a good size.
It has been pretty useful.
4) The gear ranges are fabulous.
11-12-14-16-18-21-24-32 x 30-42-52
I live in Florida. Don't need low gears much.
Super high gear, 11 x 52 is great
for when riding with a tail wind.
Minuses .....
1) Spokes started breaking at around 500 miles,
all on the gear side of the rear wheel.
So ... time (and money) has been spent fixing this.
Not to mention the inconvenience.
The spokes are 290mm 14G / brand-X.
2) Kenda Eurotrek Tires seem to ride OK.
But, they do not have the "kevlar belt".
So, yes I have had some flats.
Extra liner is necessary.
3) The brake pull mechanism seems rather funky to me.
I have seen much better brake mechanisms.
It took me a little while to try and figure out
exactly how to put it together.
The book was no help. The picture in the book
was not what came with the bike.
4) The pedals are small. (not wide)
This may be common on the newer bikes.
I realize it makes it better for racing.
But, this is a "Tourist" bike not a Racer.
Also, I removed the toe straps.
Not high priority for my riding style.
In general ... for the price I paid ...
I think it is an OK bike.
Especially as a touring/general purpose bike.
The broken spokes thing has been annoying.
But, I will probably put many thousands of miles on it.
As was expressed earlier,
If you ever need service ... **********
I am most definitely NOT a bike expert.
It was available in Very Large frame size.
And came with slightly larger tires.
I am 6' 2" and about 195 lbs.
I ride very much on the 3' just off the road-side.
I don't know where you ride.
But, if you ride on the roadsides,
then you know the garbage that is there.
And how much fun it is trying to avoid it.
It can be very rough and gravelly sometimes too.
So, I definitely wanted at least the 32mm tires.
I have put about 750 miles on it so far.
I can tell you to this point my likes and dislikes.
Pluses .....
1) Seems to be a relatively comfortable seat.
And the covering on the handlebars has a great feel.
2) Bike frame seems to absorb road shock pretty well.
This was a very pleasant surprise.
3) That little tray/carrier on the back .....
Is very lightweight and a good size.
It has been pretty useful.
4) The gear ranges are fabulous.
11-12-14-16-18-21-24-32 x 30-42-52
I live in Florida. Don't need low gears much.
Super high gear, 11 x 52 is great
for when riding with a tail wind.
Minuses .....
1) Spokes started breaking at around 500 miles,
all on the gear side of the rear wheel.
So ... time (and money) has been spent fixing this.
Not to mention the inconvenience.
The spokes are 290mm 14G / brand-X.
2) Kenda Eurotrek Tires seem to ride OK.
But, they do not have the "kevlar belt".
So, yes I have had some flats.
Extra liner is necessary.
3) The brake pull mechanism seems rather funky to me.
I have seen much better brake mechanisms.
It took me a little while to try and figure out
exactly how to put it together.
The book was no help. The picture in the book
was not what came with the bike.
4) The pedals are small. (not wide)
This may be common on the newer bikes.
I realize it makes it better for racing.
But, this is a "Tourist" bike not a Racer.
Also, I removed the toe straps.
Not high priority for my riding style.
In general ... for the price I paid ...
I think it is an OK bike.
Especially as a touring/general purpose bike.
The broken spokes thing has been annoying.
But, I will probably put many thousands of miles on it.
As was expressed earlier,
If you ever need service ... **********