letitsnow

That would be fun to watch!!

letitsnow

It looks like I am alone on this one. It would be fun to watch each rider do these climbs on their own. No looking at each other, no team helpers - just a race against the clock, through the mountains...

thenomad

No, too boring. Might as well watch baseball.



You get a better dynamic for drame when there's a rider you want to beat or have to catch. It's also scientifically proven that head to head competition brings out the absolute best in riders.

Bacciagalupe

Actually, in the past many ITT's included significant climbs; e.g. 1987, stage 18 was an ITT up Mt Ventoux. The Giro did an ITT through Cinque Terre a few years ago. 2001 was the most recent year the TdF did a real uphill ITT.

They also did more ITT's then. E.g. the average (including prologues) in the 80s was 3.6, in the 90s was 3, in the 00's 2.3.

YMCA

Long, hilly TT's are a relic of early 20th century stage racing.
The time gaps would be to be big to keep the excitement intact these days.

Although, personally I'd like to see longer TT's occasionally too.

MinnMan

On a course like that, you couldn't keep the riders spread out enough to keep them from bunching up.

curiouskid55

Pretty sure la clinched one of his tour victories with a n itt victory on alp du juez

Bacciagalupe

Hinault, Merckx and Anquetil (aka "Monsieur Chrono") had much more impressive ITT records than Armstrong -- especially given that "Tour specialists" did not exist in their day, that they often had hilly TT's, and the earlier Tours had split stages (e.g. a stage race followed by a 12km ITT on the same day).

There's a lot more to cycle racing than one Yank....

curiouskid55

Not an Armstrong fan myself. My point is to the original post that there have been mountain itt in the past and there will be mountain itt in the future

letitsnow

Ok, thanks. I was assuming that the TT's were mainly held on flat ground. I will look forward to the next mountain ITT.

Bacciagalupe

Your assumption is correct. Again, they haven't done a hilly TT in over 10 years. You also won't see split stages (2 stages on the same day), which ended around the same time.

diphthong

still want downhill tt's! am i the only one?! absolutely love to watch descending techniques...

Keith99

One problem now is that there seems to be a set in stone formula. One is exactly 2 ITTs. Making one of those shifts things too far in favor of the climbers.

I'd like to see an ITT that includes both climbing and significant decending. But there are significant problems. The differences in ability get magnified and worst case one rider catches and passes the one before him just before the top and the one passed is a better decender.

Not to mention issues with a crashed rider on course on a decent (and the impact it wouldhave on following riders).

daveF

8 years ago. 2004 TDF stage 16 Alpe d'Huez ITT 15.5km
https://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/...esults/stage16

byhsu

Who won that stage?

Thanks

Keith99

There have not been 2 stages on one day for far longer than 10 years.

EDIT: Loks like the last split stage TDF was 1982, a bit more recent than I thought it was. But jsut a bit. I knew there had split stages in 1974.

rex615

What about a team time trial, has that ever been done in a tour? I guess it would have to be done early in the race before attrition whittled the teams down.

Laggard

Many times. Hate them.

Riders dislike them but many fans enjoy them.

rex615

How do Team Time Trials affect each individual's time in the GC? Does everyone in the team just get added the teams time?
Sorry about the noob questions, but this is very interesting.

nun

Yeah I was thinking of Alp d'Huez too

nun

If you have a 9 man team you might give the first 5 guys over the line the time of the 5th guy. Then cyclists that come in after that get their own time. Some TTs also have time penalties for being slower by certain amounts than the winning team.

rex615

Thanks. Could get a bit complicated for some teams but it might be fun to watch.

Keith99

It has been done a lot and with a lot of variations. At one point it did not count toward individual standings. Others had just a small bonus impact on the individual standings. Recently it has been eitehr the actual time (of the 5th rider) counting for individual standing, though fairly recently it has been that with a maximum that can be lost.

As you point out it has to be early and if the total time is used the result is contenders are all but eliminated before they even have a chance to do anything as an individual. Which is why the tour organizers, most riders and many fans are not thrilled with TTTs.

Today there is a problem with super profesionalism. That is in the sense of being focused on just one goal. The TTT has to count for the GC or many teams will not try much, but if theams can get a large payoff it can ruin hte race. 30 years ago winning the TTT itself was enough to get a good if not total effort.

Kind of Blued

The uphill TT in the 2010 Giro was awesome.

Also, the obvious joke here is that Team Sky has been doing a team time trial this whole tour, including uphill TTTs on the mountain stages.