Old-School Gearing Question
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Old-School Gearing Question
I just got finished paring back my 5-speed freewheel from 14-38 (Kansas City hills gearing) to 14-28 (high plains gearing). I had even considered 14-24. BTW, I used Mike Sherman's Bicycle Gear Calculator to decide on the exact gearing - it's fast, and informative of any gaps in the gearing - goodbye semi-log paper and gear charts.
My old PX-10 is set up with Huret Duopar rear and Huret front derailleurs. The Duopar did very well on the 14-38, actuated by a Suntour indexed barend shifter - it works! I also have a Sachs-Huret ECO S rear derailleur, and there is a 24 and 28 tooth position for the tension spring, so it should be good to go on the 14-28. My question concerns the chain-wrap capacity. The front TA crankset is 30-46-50, so does the ECO S have sufficient capacity for that? Maybe someone on this forum can tell me.
My old PX-10 is set up with Huret Duopar rear and Huret front derailleurs. The Duopar did very well on the 14-38, actuated by a Suntour indexed barend shifter - it works! I also have a Sachs-Huret ECO S rear derailleur, and there is a 24 and 28 tooth position for the tension spring, so it should be good to go on the 14-28. My question concerns the chain-wrap capacity. The front TA crankset is 30-46-50, so does the ECO S have sufficient capacity for that? Maybe someone on this forum can tell me.
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if not a long cage RD, get one . friction shift, no specifics,
just a long distance for pulley to pull back when extra slack.
just a long distance for pulley to pull back when extra slack.
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Is it this guy? https://www.velobase.com/ViewComponen...108&AbsPos=179 There are other Ecos and DuoPars on Velobase under the Sachs and Huret names.
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Yeah, thanks! I looked up the ECO S on the www, and it wraps 31 teeth max - not enough. The Duopar is a bit bent, sooooo, since I already have Suntour barends mounted, I'm going to try a Suntour on the rear. I've got these:
7-GT
XC Sport 7000
Accushift -4050
The biggest factor against them is that Suntour rear derailleurs are not at all compatible with Simplex dropout mounts. The PX-10 came with Suntour when I bought it second-hand, and it made wheel changes a challenge. I might try some sort of quick-release skewer...
7-GT
XC Sport 7000
Accushift -4050
The biggest factor against them is that Suntour rear derailleurs are not at all compatible with Simplex dropout mounts. The PX-10 came with Suntour when I bought it second-hand, and it made wheel changes a challenge. I might try some sort of quick-release skewer...
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Is it this guy? https://www.velobase.com/ViewComponen...108&AbsPos=179 There are other Ecos and DuoPars on Velobase under the Sachs and Huret names.
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I can tell you that the a-4050 won't like a triple, either. I tried running mine with a 52/42/32 triple and 14-28T freewheel and it didn't have nearly enough capacity.
The 7-GT should get the job done, though! https://www.velobase.com/ViewComponen...108&AbsPos=393
The 7-GT should get the job done, though! https://www.velobase.com/ViewComponen...108&AbsPos=393
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I can tell you that the a-4050 won't like a triple, either. I tried running mine with a 52/42/32 triple and 14-28T freewheel and it didn't have nearly enough capacity.
The 7-GT should get the job done, though! https://www.velobase.com/ViewComponen...108&AbsPos=393
The 7-GT should get the job done, though! https://www.velobase.com/ViewComponen...108&AbsPos=393
Hey, I recall that to get more chain wrap out the Simplex L.J. Super I once had on the PX-10, I replaced the short alloy cage with a long steel cage from a Simplex Maxy. I wonder if I could make another Frankenrailleur out of the two Hurets? Crazy...
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In real life you might not need as much slack take up capacity as the calculations suggest.
Do you use all of your freewheel gears in combination with your granny chainring? I certainly don't. The only time that I use my granny is on steep hills and only in combination with my biggest couple of rear cogs. If I never shift into the 30/14 combination, I don't need enough slack take up to handle that combination.
Do you use all of your freewheel gears in combination with your granny chainring? I certainly don't. The only time that I use my granny is on steep hills and only in combination with my biggest couple of rear cogs. If I never shift into the 30/14 combination, I don't need enough slack take up to handle that combination.
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In real life you might not need as much slack take up capacity as the calculations suggest.
Do you use all of your freewheel gears in combination with your granny chainring? I certainly don't. The only time that I use my granny is on steep hills and only in combination with my biggest couple of rear cogs. If I never shift into the 30/14 combination, I don't need enough slack take up to handle that combination.
Do you use all of your freewheel gears in combination with your granny chainring? I certainly don't. The only time that I use my granny is on steep hills and only in combination with my biggest couple of rear cogs. If I never shift into the 30/14 combination, I don't need enough slack take up to handle that combination.
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The biggest factor against them is that Suntour rear derailleurs are not at all compatible with Simplex dropout mounts. The PX-10 came with Suntour when I bought it second-hand, and it made wheel changes a challenge. I might try some sort of quick-release skewer...
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I know where Retro Grouch and HillRider are coming from. I looked at the chart of my gearing, and realized that for practical purposes I had five speeds on the 46-tooth chainwheel, plus an overdrive on the 50x14 and an underdrive on the 30x28. That is how I intend to use it anyway.
MikeWMass suggests that I Dremel a place for the "B" screw of a Suntour derailleur, but I still have the problem of the Simplex mount lacking threads (and I think the hole is too big to tap anyway), and the threads of the Suntour are not long enough for a nut on the other side. I still see a quick release, perhaps a seatpost skewer as the answer if I go Suntour.
MikeWMass suggests that I Dremel a place for the "B" screw of a Suntour derailleur, but I still have the problem of the Simplex mount lacking threads (and I think the hole is too big to tap anyway), and the threads of the Suntour are not long enough for a nut on the other side. I still see a quick release, perhaps a seatpost skewer as the answer if I go Suntour.
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