Difference Between Platform Pedals And Spd (Clipless)
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Difference Between Platform Pedals And Spd (Clipless)
So from help from this forum i purchased and installed my new clipless pedal system to my road bike. Everyone that is currently on platforms is dying to know what the difference is in performance ... well here are two strava segments that i did during identical conditions going to work. First one is with platform and the second one is with clipless o yeah and a 25lbs back pack
https://app.strava.com/activities/37608656
https://app.strava.com/activities/39044652
https://app.strava.com/activities/37608656
https://app.strava.com/activities/39044652
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I see no meaningful gain with the clipless but more calories used.
However, when safety is a consideration platforms win hands down since you're not attached to the bike as you are with clipless.
However, when safety is a consideration platforms win hands down since you're not attached to the bike as you are with clipless.
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Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.
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Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
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I'm not sure the Strava data is meaningful. Clipless pedals might help you eek out a another couple of watts, but without power data we won't know. Ride time is affected by too many factors (wind, traffic, etc) for it to provide a meaningful comparison. The big difference for me was cadence. I find that maintaining a 90-100rpm cadence is significantly easier with clipless pedals. With platform pedals, it's pretty much impossible for me to maintain that cadence!
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If you want to make comparisons I think you should
ride more than twice to get a fair comparison. In the
end it's possible that it may not make too much of a
difference for you(if speed is the only thing that matters)
and you can always switch back.
Snug Harbor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFj80L5e3no
ride more than twice to get a fair comparison. In the
end it's possible that it may not make too much of a
difference for you(if speed is the only thing that matters)
and you can always switch back.
Snug Harbor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFj80L5e3no
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i personally felt my legs sore in new places to be honest and also i was carrying a 25lb backpack with me this time compared to last time not having a backpack.
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It does look like he maintained a higher speed on some of the straight aways... perhaps it's the shiny new toy effect but as sstorkel mentioned, there are circumstances where your performance benefits from having your feet strapped to your pedals and higher speed / cadence would be one in my opinion.
If you're just slogging around the neighborhood on a 30# steel bike then yeah, platforms are superior.
If you're just slogging around the neighborhood on a 30# steel bike then yeah, platforms are superior.
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No meaningful gain = I have ZERO experience
Safety concerns = No meaningful gain
Safety concerns = No meaningful gain
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They won't suddenly give you more power to the pedals. What they do is allow you to utilize more muscle groups while you pedal which in turn allows you to pedal longer before power starts to wane. Nothing magic, nothing dangerous, nothing special, just a very useful tool that allows you to go as fast as you want too for longer periods.
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I have been using clipless pedals for a long time. And before clipless pedals became popular, I was on clips.
When I had a chance to ride using platform pedals (when I bought a new bike), I found myself having a hard time keeping my feet on the pedals (especially my right foot). I may have gotten so used to pulling on the up-stroke. I end up being so conscious of the position of my foot that I adjust my foot's position on the pedals often.
And because of these difficulties, it's hard to spin faster.
On the trail, my foot fell once and ended up with pedal scar.. ouch..
When I had a chance to ride using platform pedals (when I bought a new bike), I found myself having a hard time keeping my feet on the pedals (especially my right foot). I may have gotten so used to pulling on the up-stroke. I end up being so conscious of the position of my foot that I adjust my foot's position on the pedals often.
And because of these difficulties, it's hard to spin faster.
On the trail, my foot fell once and ended up with pedal scar.. ouch..
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While I see no meaningful gain in performance from this truely unscientific, and at best anecdotal comparison that has no real validity whatsoever, I find the assertion that platforms are "safer" than clipless to be positively laughable. Thank you for this morning's levity!
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Cool! It's another clipless/platform debate! I rode with clips/straps starting in the early 1980s, switched to SPDs in the late 1990s (1997 to be exact) and then went to platforms about 18 months ago. Through experience I see no advantage either way in either efficiency or safety with just a couple of exceptions. The exceptions are that if you spin faaaaaast go clipless and there's a small safety advantage to platforms if you're an urban cyclist in a busy city setting ("stop-and-go cycling"). But overall I think it's just a matter of taste.
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crap i didnt know to go clipless or not was such a touchy subject lol! I did see the following online when i did a little research regarding clipless or not.
The purpose of this study was to verify if there is electromyographic difference in biceps femoris (long portion), semitendinous, semimembranous and gastrocnemius (lateralis and medialis) muscles, using clipless pedal and toe clip pedal. Thirty seven triathletes answered a questionnaire about their preferred type of pedal, which showed that 5.4% used toe clip pedal and 94.6% used clipless pedal. Four male triathletes (age: 21.75 +/- 2.50 years old; cycling experience: 5.00 +/- 2.45 years; preferred cadence: 83.75 +/- 7.5 rpm) rode their own bicycles on a stationary roller at 100 rpm. The subjects performed one trial with each type of pedal. Bipolar surface electrodes placed on right lower limb picked up the EMG signal during 6 s. A band-pass filter (10-600 Hz) was used. Two muscles (semitendinous and semimembranous) presented lower activity with clipless pedal for all subjects. Biceps femoris and gastrocnemius lateralis presented lower activity with clipless pedal for three subjects. This led us to conclude that there is less electromyographic activity with the use of clipless pedal.
PMID: 11441642 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
The purpose of this study was to verify if there is electromyographic difference in biceps femoris (long portion), semitendinous, semimembranous and gastrocnemius (lateralis and medialis) muscles, using clipless pedal and toe clip pedal. Thirty seven triathletes answered a questionnaire about their preferred type of pedal, which showed that 5.4% used toe clip pedal and 94.6% used clipless pedal. Four male triathletes (age: 21.75 +/- 2.50 years old; cycling experience: 5.00 +/- 2.45 years; preferred cadence: 83.75 +/- 7.5 rpm) rode their own bicycles on a stationary roller at 100 rpm. The subjects performed one trial with each type of pedal. Bipolar surface electrodes placed on right lower limb picked up the EMG signal during 6 s. A band-pass filter (10-600 Hz) was used. Two muscles (semitendinous and semimembranous) presented lower activity with clipless pedal for all subjects. Biceps femoris and gastrocnemius lateralis presented lower activity with clipless pedal for three subjects. This led us to conclude that there is less electromyographic activity with the use of clipless pedal.
PMID: 11441642 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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I'm a huge fan of clipping in. I've used them since the very first generation Looks in the mid-80s. And before that I spent several years with standard slot-cleated Dettos with toe clips and straps cinched tight. I can't ride platforms without feeling very insecure.
Having said that, I think the difference between the two rides is way too small to be an accurate indicator of anything. Way too many variables, even on a short ride. But keep in mind there are many other advantages to riding with clipped-in cleats than simply speed, or even power output. You can develop better pedaling technique, leading to more efficient riding that might only manifest itself quantitatively in longer rides and not faster ones. There's the ability to hop over small road hazards. There's the reduced chance of slipping off the pedal and getting injured. There's the opportunity to bring additional muscles into play when climbing. Lots of things to consider besides speed.
Having said that, I think the difference between the two rides is way too small to be an accurate indicator of anything. Way too many variables, even on a short ride. But keep in mind there are many other advantages to riding with clipped-in cleats than simply speed, or even power output. You can develop better pedaling technique, leading to more efficient riding that might only manifest itself quantitatively in longer rides and not faster ones. There's the ability to hop over small road hazards. There's the reduced chance of slipping off the pedal and getting injured. There's the opportunity to bring additional muscles into play when climbing. Lots of things to consider besides speed.
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With platforms I get lazier and end up with my foot too far back on the pedals. Clipping in reminds me what I'm doing, like putting your game face on. Other than that I have them because all the cool kids on my group rides use them
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So from help from this forum i purchased and installed my new clipless pedal system to my road bike. Everyone that is currently on platforms is dying to know what the difference is in performance ... well here are two strava segments that i did during identical conditions going to work. First one is with platform and the second one is with clipless o yeah and a 25lbs back pack....
I'm a huge fan of clipping in. I've used them since the very first generation Looks in the mid-80s. And before that I spent several years with standard slot-cleated Dettos with toe clips and straps cinched tight. I can't ride platforms without feeling very insecure.
Having said that, I think the difference between the two rides is way too small to be an accurate indicator of anything. Way too many variables, even on a short ride. But keep in mind there are many other advantages to riding with clipped-in cleats than simply speed, or even power output. You can develop better pedaling technique, leading to more efficient riding that might only manifest itself quantitatively in longer rides and not faster ones. There's the ability to hop over small road hazards. There's the reduced chance of slipping off the pedal and getting injured. There's the opportunity to bring additional muscles into play when climbing. Lots of things to consider besides speed.
Having said that, I think the difference between the two rides is way too small to be an accurate indicator of anything. Way too many variables, even on a short ride. But keep in mind there are many other advantages to riding with clipped-in cleats than simply speed, or even power output. You can develop better pedaling technique, leading to more efficient riding that might only manifest itself quantitatively in longer rides and not faster ones. There's the ability to hop over small road hazards. There's the reduced chance of slipping off the pedal and getting injured. There's the opportunity to bring additional muscles into play when climbing. Lots of things to consider besides speed.
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If I was just beating around I would go with just platforms. Townline sprints with the training group, I'd rather have my feet attached thanks. As others have stated to each their own.
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+1 to everything you said. I too started with slotted cleats and dual toestraps (yes, even on my mountain bike! ) and I went clipless as soon as the first pair of Look shoes and pedals were available at our local shop, and I have never looked back. I have a pair of Shimano PD-A530 pedals on my FG so that I can pedal one of my bikes around the neighborhood in flip-flops or bare-footed, but everything else is pure clipless because riding at any real speed or over rough terrain is very uncomfortable to me when my feet are unsecured.
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From a guy who rode nothing but clips then clipless since 1972 until abut 2010, I can say with complete assurance- I cannot decide! I know that for running about town, I have used platform pedals (BMX style), and it pretty nice to have street shoes to run into stores and the like. that said, I keep changing back to my SPD pedals and shoes. I have not problems with feet staying on the pedals with either, at cadences up over 100. I think part of why I keep coming back to either SPD and/or Look pedals is ingrained non-rational choice. That, or despite my best protestations otherwise, I still want to belong to the roadie tribe.
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While I see no meaningful gain in performance from this truely unscientific, and at best anecdotal comparison that has no real validity whatsoever, I find the assertion that platforms are "safer" than clipless to be positively laughable. Thank you for this morning's levity!
Now go back and try and help the OP!
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I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.
Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.
Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
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I agree with the idea several people have floated that being clipped in will help develop you spin better and for more of the cycle. And that this won't happen immediately.
For anybody who doesn't clip in and doesn't want to, don't. For anybody who wants to, give it a try.
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The worst injury I've ever had on a bike came when my foot slipped off a platform pedal while standing on a climb. I was in my early 20s. Tore a nice gash in my calf.
Next day I went out and bought toe clips and straps, and never used platforms on a road bike again. I was perfectly happy on clips for a long time, until I went clipless. I wish I saw the light sooner.
Next day I went out and bought toe clips and straps, and never used platforms on a road bike again. I was perfectly happy on clips for a long time, until I went clipless. I wish I saw the light sooner.