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04-04-14, 05:26 PM
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Well, that's surprising. Hah.
The primary reason I've kept the breaks so short is due to time constraints. I generally only have 1-2 hours to train, tops. That includes 24 minutes of travel to and from. I'd loooooove for the breaks to be longer. I'm trying to move some things around in my schedule to accommodate either longer track sessions or more short ones.
Right now, my recovery seems okay on 5 minutes of rest for everything except the 500s. Those brutalize me the most, by far. Everything else I seem to be able to maintain a split on. However, I am definitely trying to move to longer breaks. I really want to be able to attack whatever the distance is the same way I would have a squat set, or what have you.
What should I look at increasing first? The amount of times I do certain workouts or the amount of times I repeat whatever the distance is in a given workout??
When should I start doing race-style series of points laps and such??
EDIT: The coach I should be talking with runs the Mars Hill Cycling program. I'm not sure what his experience with track or sprinters is but hopefully he can provide some general input or direct me to someone with more track experience.
The primary reason I've kept the breaks so short is due to time constraints. I generally only have 1-2 hours to train, tops. That includes 24 minutes of travel to and from. I'd loooooove for the breaks to be longer. I'm trying to move some things around in my schedule to accommodate either longer track sessions or more short ones.
Right now, my recovery seems okay on 5 minutes of rest for everything except the 500s. Those brutalize me the most, by far. Everything else I seem to be able to maintain a split on. However, I am definitely trying to move to longer breaks. I really want to be able to attack whatever the distance is the same way I would have a squat set, or what have you.
What should I look at increasing first? The amount of times I do certain workouts or the amount of times I repeat whatever the distance is in a given workout??
When should I start doing race-style series of points laps and such??
EDIT: The coach I should be talking with runs the Mars Hill Cycling program. I'm not sure what his experience with track or sprinters is but hopefully he can provide some general input or direct me to someone with more track experience.
What should I look at increasing first? The amount of times I do certain workouts or the amount of times I repeat whatever the distance is in a given workout??
In my opinion, sprint training rewards high quality intense efforts over volume. But, that's up for debate. Some like lots of volume which overloads the muscles which creates super-compensation later. I guess everybody is right. It's really difficult to discuss programming in this context because there are so many programs out there, many of the work, and everybody thinks theirs is the best
04-04-14, 06:14 PM
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For the flying efforts 500M and longer, It may be easier for you to use a speedometer and watch your speed real-time and pace off of that instead of looking at splits which only give you info after the fact. Let's say during your first effort you hover around 32MPH. Maybe the next effort see if you can push it to 33MPH, etc...
This is a question about Programming which can be a big hairy can of worms. But to try to answer, I'd suggest trying to increase your target speeds (using the technique mentioned above) for each effort, even if that means more recovery, which might mean cutting out the last planned effort of the day. Maybe recover based on perceived heart rate. Basically, when your heart rate returns to somewhat normal, it's time to go again.
In my opinion, sprint training rewards high quality intense efforts over volume. But, that's up for debate. Some like lots of volume which overloads the muscles which creates super-compensation later. I guess everybody is right. It's really difficult to discuss programming in this context because there are so many programs out there, many of the work, and everybody thinks theirs is the best
This is a question about Programming which can be a big hairy can of worms. But to try to answer, I'd suggest trying to increase your target speeds (using the technique mentioned above) for each effort, even if that means more recovery, which might mean cutting out the last planned effort of the day. Maybe recover based on perceived heart rate. Basically, when your heart rate returns to somewhat normal, it's time to go again.
In my opinion, sprint training rewards high quality intense efforts over volume. But, that's up for debate. Some like lots of volume which overloads the muscles which creates super-compensation later. I guess everybody is right. It's really difficult to discuss programming in this context because there are so many programs out there, many of the work, and everybody thinks theirs is the best
The last part is true is in every sport I've interacted with. It's always funny when someone claims that here is "one right way" to do any type of training. Sure there are common traits across all successful programs but if there were one way, everyone would be doing it. There's always huge training variation amongst most podiums. It seems to be about finding what works for you.
04-04-14, 06:26 PM
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For $50, I'd start with some fresh ones. I know you're a strong guy, so crank the tension to the max and when you get things dialed you'll want to attach some straps. Shoes can be had for under $100 if you look around, then you're set.
For $50, I'd start with some fresh ones. I know you're a strong guy, so crank the tension to the max and when you get things dialed you'll want to attach some straps. Shoes can be had for under $100 if you look around, then you're set.
04-04-14, 09:38 PM
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Has anyone heard of one of the iterations of the felt tk1 fork being non UCI legal? I've been contemplating a 2011 frameset, but one of my team-mates mentioned that they changed forks mid 2011 because of UCI regulations. This was news to me.
04-06-14, 12:46 AM
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Was there someone in this community that was bummed about breaking a Tiemeyer seattube top clamp and Dave having closed up shop?
If so, I was just at a local frame builder's today collecting a frame he was repairing for me and noticed a few of Dave's seattube fittings. Apparently he purchased a lot of Dave's remaining tubes and fittings.
Shipping between the States and here might be a minor pain and I'm not sure of the finanacial justification of that plus re-heat treating and painting. But, if it's a sentimental or favorite frame, at least it's an option. I know you can fit a frame within the USPS maximums for as little at $70, if you don't mind going without insurance and tracking.
If so, I was just at a local frame builder's today collecting a frame he was repairing for me and noticed a few of Dave's seattube fittings. Apparently he purchased a lot of Dave's remaining tubes and fittings.
Shipping between the States and here might be a minor pain and I'm not sure of the finanacial justification of that plus re-heat treating and painting. But, if it's a sentimental or favorite frame, at least it's an option. I know you can fit a frame within the USPS maximums for as little at $70, if you don't mind going without insurance and tracking.
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04-07-14, 08:32 PM
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So I tried to go to Alpenrose today and nothing was scheduled on the OBRA calender but there was a full team of people there running drills on the track and I didn't ask but overheard the coach saying if you are going to ride the track today you are going to be running our drills. Since this is my first season, is this something that's normal or are there other places besides OBRA to look for scheduled events?
04-07-14, 09:40 PM
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So I tried to go to Alpenrose today and nothing was scheduled on the OBRA calender but there was a full team of people there running drills on the track and I didn't ask but overheard the coach saying if you are going to ride the track today you are going to be running our drills. Since this is my first season, is this something that's normal or are there other places besides OBRA to look for scheduled events?
Here is the calendar of reservations: OBRA: Alpenrose Velodrome
04-07-14, 09:50 PM
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I'm not that familiar with Alpenrose rules, but if they reserved the track, it is theirs. If they didn't you can politely remind them to reserve the track and that you can do what you like (within reason, of course).
Here is the calendar of reservations: OBRA: Alpenrose Velodrome
Here is the calendar of reservations: OBRA: Alpenrose Velodrome
04-07-14, 09:54 PM
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So I tried to go to Alpenrose today and nothing was scheduled on the OBRA calender but there was a full team of people there running drills on the track and I didn't ask but overheard the coach saying if you are going to ride the track today you are going to be running our drills. Since this is my first season, is this something that's normal or are there other places besides OBRA to look for scheduled events?
As I will be spending a decent amount of time their soon I will double check the rules on the coaches as they are starting to take up a fair amount of time on the track, but they should be inclusive more than exclusive - but don't expect free coaching. It is also possible that the online schedule is not updated for 2014, I will check on that as well.
04-07-14, 10:10 PM
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It has been a wet year ... groups are dying to get out on the track, so I expect it to be very busy this week as everyone tries to get time in. Most official events start in May, but coaches are there when they can. I am planning to be there Thursday or Friday this week.
04-07-14, 10:17 PM
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It has been a wet year ... groups are dying to get out on the track, so I expect it to be very busy this week as everyone tries to get time in. Most official events start in May, but coaches are there when they can. I am planning to be there Thursday or Friday this week.
04-07-14, 11:05 PM
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So I tried to go to Alpenrose today and nothing was scheduled on the OBRA calender but there was a full team of people there running drills on the track and I didn't ask but overheard the coach saying if you are going to ride the track today you are going to be running our drills. Since this is my first season, is this something that's normal or are there other places besides OBRA to look for scheduled events?
I would avoid trying to get track time when the Word/RCB group is out. They have a large cadre of beginners that can make it very hard to work with. Likewise, the Beaverton Bike Club can also be hard to work with for the same reasons. Kirk Whiteman and Brian Abers are pretty chill about working outside riders in. Just be respectful and look like you know what you are doing. First thing to do when looking to work in with a group is talk to them before putting your wheels on the track. It's a safety thing more than anything. The key to safety on the track is making sure everyone knows what everyone else is doing.
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04-08-14, 10:05 PM
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When I set up a training time for our team at Alpenrose, this is the email that I received explaining "the rules".... ( Italics are mine...)
1) All participants need to sign a waiver. That can be yearly, roster style, etc. There just has to be one.
2) It is expected that an accounting of participant numbers for all sessions will be turned in and money rebated or more paid based on a, as I recall, $0.50/rider/session. This money goes toward shared expenses; liability insurance, Porta Potties, etc.
3) Anyone can ride all sessions but the entity scheduling the session determines the program.
4) This same entity may charge a fee which it is expected will be substantially similar for all participants, i.e. you can’t economically exclude people by not charging some and charging other $1,000/session
5) Everyone will play nice.
And Brian is correct....a 30 second conversation will prevent a lot of frustrations.
1) All participants need to sign a waiver. That can be yearly, roster style, etc. There just has to be one.
2) It is expected that an accounting of participant numbers for all sessions will be turned in and money rebated or more paid based on a, as I recall, $0.50/rider/session. This money goes toward shared expenses; liability insurance, Porta Potties, etc.
3) Anyone can ride all sessions but the entity scheduling the session determines the program.
4) This same entity may charge a fee which it is expected will be substantially similar for all participants, i.e. you can’t economically exclude people by not charging some and charging other $1,000/session
5) Everyone will play nice.
And Brian is correct....a 30 second conversation will prevent a lot of frustrations.
04-08-14, 10:47 PM
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I'm building a beater fixed gear for road use so i can save the track bike from non-race use. I'm going to take the stock seatpost from the Windsor for the build and want to upgrade the seatpost on it. Any recommendations? I was leaning towards a Miche Supertype, and I read good things about the Thompson but I don't know if I could use the zero setback post, or if the setback one would be enough. (I would like tospend less than $80 and have seen some Thomson's used on ebay for about $50)
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04-09-14, 08:04 PM
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My chain whip sucks. I gotta get a grown up chain whip. I could have gone to the LBS to have them change the cog, but I was determined. Eventually, I got it off with a big channel lock. Wow, I didn't expect that to work. What's the old trick of using the cranks? I couldn't remember.
The clinic at Kissena is this Sunday. This will be my first time with the track bike on a track. It was time to increase my ratio. I've been riding the streets on a 46x19 (65"). I changed to a 16T which gives me 77". Does that sound OK? I'll be honest, I'm scared to out in that gear, even though I have a front brake.
The clinic at Kissena is this Sunday. This will be my first time with the track bike on a track. It was time to increase my ratio. I've been riding the streets on a 46x19 (65"). I changed to a 16T which gives me 77". Does that sound OK? I'll be honest, I'm scared to out in that gear, even though I have a front brake.
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04-09-14, 08:12 PM
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My chain whip sucks. I gotta get a grown up chain whip. I could have gone to the LBS to have them change the cog, but I was determined. Eventually, I got it off with a big channel lock. Wow, I didn't expect that to work. What's the old trick of using the cranks? I couldn't remember.
The clinic at Kissena is this Sunday. This will be my first time with the track bike on a track. It was time to increase my ratio. I've been riding the streets on a 46x19 (65"). I changed to a 16T which gives me 77". Does that sound OK? I'll be honest, I'm scared to out in that gear, even though I have a front brake.
The clinic at Kissena is this Sunday. This will be my first time with the track bike on a track. It was time to increase my ratio. I've been riding the streets on a 46x19 (65"). I changed to a 16T which gives me 77". Does that sound OK? I'll be honest, I'm scared to out in that gear, even though I have a front brake.
take the chain off the chainring, wrap it around the bottom bracket shell.
at the cog, double the chain back around itself so that the whole thing is taught.
grab the rim and turn it like a ship's wheel.
if you're confused, google Rotafix.
04-09-14, 09:08 PM
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Remove lock ring, install wheel, get some speed, hit the brakes hard, hope you don't die.
Or get the miche holders that never have to come off
Or get the miche holders that never have to come off
04-09-14, 10:15 PM
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I made a chain whip with some chain and some steel stock. I had a cheap chainwhip/lockring tool i bought off ebay but the chain from the chainwhip got in the way when i went to take the lockring off. i made the handle longer than the old one for those stubborn cogs!
04-10-14, 06:24 AM
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A buddy made one of those for me, once. He used steel that was too soft and eventually it got all bit up, and the chain snapped out of it.
04-10-14, 08:42 AM
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It will be worthwhile for me to buy a serious chain whip. Enough with buying cheap tools. They don't save money at all.
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04-10-14, 09:11 AM
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I've had the same Park chainwhip for several years. It came with a 3/32" chain. I removed those chain pieces and used master links to affix pieces of 1/8" chain.
04-10-14, 09:23 AM
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So, I've got a pair of hubs but they have those annoying allen bolts, the inside wall of the bolts are kinda flat it feels like they wouldn't grip/torque properly at the dropout. Is there any type of bolt that I can replace it that would be better?
04-10-14, 09:31 AM
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Those kinds of rear hubs can be a pain in the butt when you are training/racing if they slip on you. They will slip under bigger/stroger riders. The safest way is to use some sort of chain tensioner always. But, using a chain tensioner adds time to every gear change.
You could try a track axle cap like this: Zipp - Speed Weaponry | Accessories | Components | Track Axle Cap Kits
But it looks like you already have one on there.
If you haven't built them, I'd consider using a standard hub on the rear that uses standard nuts. Not as pretty, but it will save you lots of hassle.
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What Carleton said..
Tugs are a PITA!
If your frame has built in tensioners then you are good..
Otherwise- get a full size Allen wrench for the bolt- the longest you can find. So you can confirm you are cranking it down.
I had had an old Zipp Disc that had Allen bolts and once I started using a long wrench instead of a 3-way multi I figured out how to get it tight enough
Tugs are a PITA!
If your frame has built in tensioners then you are good..
Otherwise- get a full size Allen wrench for the bolt- the longest you can find. So you can confirm you are cranking it down.
I had had an old Zipp Disc that had Allen bolts and once I started using a long wrench instead of a 3-way multi I figured out how to get it tight enough