fbarullibr

yes I know i, I read all older posts about the statebikes and the same question would pop up again and again..

that being said

what about the 2015 model?
any opinions?

GromCake

i'm feelin' feisty today so let's hopefully get this out of the way in one post. they still suck for 2015, don't spend your money on one, "#kilott", "ignore the kilo lemmings", insert argument about kilos, OP decides to buy garbage bike despite asking for opinions on it and receiving nothing but negative responses (bc the bikes are awful).

get a kilo, or a soma rush, or a surly steamroller or any of the other affordable actually decent bikes and get over the fact that you won't have supersikk deep section rims and oversized alu tubing for your sikk fixie skidzz.

everyone go home and please let this thread and the same one next week and the week after that just disappear into the void. thank you. /thread.

AristoNYC

Looks nice, spec'd nice. I'd ride one. If you can test ride one and you like it, go for it.
If you're up for it you can build something similar within that budget. I built my Dolan Pre Cursa for around $800.

Leukybear 

The state undefeated is actually an underrated frameset. It's a nice ride actually with awesome geo.

As for the "2015" version I believe all they changed was the colorway of the bike.

fbarullibr

grom, thank you for your reply, however in light of your feistiness id like to know why exactly you mega-disapprove of the undefeated.

the reason why I ask is to learn and understand what to look for when buying/building a bike.

a simple its **** or its bad only leaves room for more doubt
what did not tickle your pickle exactly about the bike??
is it the 7005 Al a bad choice?
is the wheelset not a good move?
is the geometry off?
do i get a better bang for my buck with the 500$ soma rush?
if I would buy a 500 $ frameset i would prefer a 300$ dolan FXE or N other options that are cheaper than the soma rush
and yes I want supersikk deep profile wheels, but not for sikskidzzzz, just because i like how it looks

thanks for your words of wisdom

AristoNYC

Did you even look at the bike the OP was asking about or just assume because its a State bike that it must be garbage?

fbarullibr

Aristo, can you upload a pic of that dolan?

AristoNYC

2015 Dolan Pre Cursa - Pedal Room

fbarullibr

you built that for 800?
good job!
tell me more about this!!

AristoNYC

$800 was a quick estimate.
Well, I wasn't counting the wheels since I had them.
Frame, fork, headset, seatpost -$350
stem - $20
bars - $25
tape - $5
crankset - $200
Pedals - $20
Saddle - $70
brake - $40
chain - $15

GromCake

7005 is a fine choice, and preferable to 6061. However, integrated seat clamp on an alu frame is typically an automatic "no" for me. Wrenching down too tight, or even to proper spec just too many times over, can ruin your frame, due to tendency of aluminum to only be able to take a finite number of force cycles before breaking, vs steel which can take an infinite amount of force cycles as long as it is never pushed beyond it's yield point. If you break the clamp the frame is done. With a separate seat-collar clamp, breaking the clamp is usually just a 20-something dollar replacement part to get back on the road. I don't know if the steel plates on the dropouts are on the inside and outside of the dropouts. But frequently cheaper frames like these don't have steel plating on the inside of the dropouts, so the same properties of aluminum menitoned above may crack the dropout after some time (but it could have inside and outside facing steel plates, i'm not sure, so this may be a non-issue). The spec'd wheelset is unbranded and probably heavy as hell, not friendly to your hilly city where extra rotational weight noticeably effects hill climbing and accelerating, and if it's also a windy city deep section rims do make a huge negative difference and massive annoyance in crosswinds. I've seen states spec'd hubs, even on their nicer bikes, to be of low quality. A close friend who had a state contender, marketed as one of their nicer bikes, had the front hub bearings fail after just a couple thousand miles. Geo doesn't appear to have any clear issues but without a chart, there's no way of telling. And on that note, you can't ensure a good bike fit when ordering because the seat tube measurement alone means absolutely nothing when trying to fit a bike. There's a few decent components spec'd, the omniums, the michelin dynamic tires, and the ritchey stem and seatpost, but the rest of the components are unbranded and likely either of low quality, or of inconsistent quality control, putting you at risk of getting defective components. After hearing many state bike horror stories of components failing, bikes shipped with missing parts, and rude customer service, paired with a few clues of potential quality, and seeing the bike drip in unbranded risky components make the bike a deal breaker for me and most anyone else that knows what to look for when buying a bike. And that's not even considering you can build a nicer bike for the same money. Buying from ompanies like state is risky, and they're usually not known to be of consistent decent quality. You can build a damn fine entry level or daily use fixed gear for $1000 if you just let yourself let go of looks a tiny bit and make some room for considering quality and lifespan. It's easy to upgrade to things you like more if your bike is built with a solid base of quality budget parts, and will last long enough to upgrade in the first place.

IMO a dolan precursa is a better choice than a state, they're known to be consistently decent, and have all the details you should look for including a branded alpina fork and seatpost, known for good quality, separate seat collar, stainless steel plated dropouts, and you can look at the geo charts and know what fit you're getting, and what kind of handling you'll get out of the bike. you can find them for around $300. Velomine sells complete wheel builds for cheaper than you can build them yourself, check out h+son archetypes laced to formula hubs ($240), you can get the deeper aero rims you like the look of, but not at a weight penalty, with a slightly lower profile than the undefeated's spec'd rims, crosswinds are easier to deal with, and h+son has consistently great quality rims, the archetypes and tb14s in particular are light weight, have a 23mm width giving a wider and rounder tire profile for better cornering and overall comfort, and actually losing a bit of rolling resistance assuming the same tire pressures on a standard 19mm rim, also you're getting the best bang for your buck you can with formula hubs. You could get a charge saddle, affordable and fine quality, they're usually in the $25 dollar range for standard models. A Kalloy stem is cheap but you know it's going to be trustworthy and won't fail on you, about $15. Sugino RD2 cranks, real nice crankset for the $100 price tag from a very trusted name in cycling drivetrain components, a decent $30 pair of fsa or deda bars, a $20 shimano or dicta freewheel, a $50 set of sram apex brakes which I've loved the surprising quality of considering price, a set of $10-20 brake levers, a $20 izumi eco chain which is incredibly tough, a $30 pair of mks pedals, any set of decent tires with some puncture resistant features, tubes, brake lines, foot retention if you want it, a shimano or sugino 109mm bottom bracket (i believe this is the spindle size reccomended for the RD2), and grips/bar tape. Put's you right around $1000 and that way you're getting branded components from trusted companies, helping guarantee no horror stories, you're getting all the parts becuase you're ordering them all or picking them all up yourself, you'll learn a few things about bikes and how to build them which can help you flourish in this new hobby of yours, and in the end you'll probably get a lighter, higher quality bike, that can have a few personal touches instead of it being a stock factory complete.

hairnet

Hashtagfail #kilott

fbarullibr

that`s an answer to be dealt w/!!
thanks

Flatulentfox

This thread is way off track. You shouldn't be concerned about that bike because people in colorado can climb 7000 feet after already starting at 10k feet.

Flatulentfox

But for real, For 1000 you can get a really decent bike. Why go with something that is at best mediocre and will always be a state? There were lots of good suggestions in the other thread. Im sure the state wont explode or anything, but it will always be a state... just barely a step above a pure fix. If you want the sweet areo look you could build up a leader for the same price...

jlafitte 

Yep. And from 17000 feet they can climb another five or ten thousand, just on momentum. In Colorado.

franswa

Studies have shown that since the legalization of marijuana, Colorado cyclists are not able to climb as high.

TejanoTrackie 

Yeah, and that way you can get a sweet exploding integrated seatpost clamp. From the frying pan into the fire.

GromCake

can climb even higher you mean 😉

prooftheory

Nobody here has one. Go to your local state dealer and try it out and tell us.

Scrodzilla

fixed.

I know someone who has broken two integrated seatpost clamps on Undefeated frames - one 2014, one 2015 (the only difference being the color). The first broken one was replaced under warranty but after the second frame cracked, dude said "**** it" and bought something else.

prooftheory

This is much more convincing than Gromcakes review.

TejanoTrackie 

You'd think that they'd have learned from other manufacturer's past mistakes. Why do you think Bianchi changed from an integrated seatpost clamp design in the Pista Concept to a separate collar in the Super Pista ? Aluminum is not very ductile, folks.

AlexGS1

I was dumb enough to do this and cracked a 725 in under 100 miles (I'm 5'2. 125ish lbs). I have no opinions on State Bicycle, but, the integrated seat post/aluminum combo is not something I'd be eager to try again.

Wspsux

**** it, just get a car.