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    Somewhere between rumor and reality

    Hi All...

    Take this for what it's worth. I thought it was interesting.

    My friend James and I were hanging out at R&E cycles yesterday, and met the KHS rep for the Pacific Northwest. James, a KHS Flite 100 owner, was giving the rep grief (in a friendly way) about their decision to drop the Sugino cranks in favor of the Truvativs. The rep said that they have received so many complaints about this that they are disccussing another change. The general desire is to go back to the Suginos but it would raise the cost of the bike a small amount so it may be some other crank. Dan (owner of R&E) pointed out that alot of their Flite 100 customers were already paying more because they're replacing the Truvativs with different cranks after they buy it (usually Sugino 75's).

    Don't take this the wrong way, nobody was slagging Truvativ, just the choice of that crank to replace the Suginos on the Flite 100. Quality-wise, my understanding is that KHS is pleased with the Truvativs. I just think it's interesting and cool that they are listening to, and trying to please their customers, rather than just their bean-counters.

    Of course, one could argue that he was simply telling us what we wanted to hear, but the discussion went on long enough and with enough detail that I felt he was being sincere....oh, and he was a big fan of the coaster brake .... now if that's not an indicator of fine character then I don't know what is 8-)

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    The bike currently runs about $599. Did he say how much more it would have cost to stick with the Suginos? If it was $650 - that'd still be a sweet deal for the cranks. It'd be better to have a nice track crank you could take away with you if the frame ever crapped out. And since you're upgrading...

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    I'll slag the truvativs

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    Quote Originally Posted by absntr
    The bike currently runs about $599. Did he say how much more it would have cost to stick with the Suginos? If it was $650 - that'd still be a sweet deal for the cranks. It'd be better to have a nice track crank you could take away with you if the frame ever crapped out. And since you're upgrading...
    He didn't say. Dan joked that it would affect the price by 5 cents and the rep said it was "a lot more" but in reality, KHS would be offered a ridiculous deal by either manufacturer and the increase is really the difference between the 'sweet-deal' prices of the two cranks + the difference in profit markup..... (assuming the overhead isn't affected). I'd guess the consumer cost of the bike would go up by $20.00 - $30.00 dollars max ..... just MY guess. I also suspect a big concern is the cost, as "perceived by the consumer", when that $599.00 tag rolls past the $600.00 mark.

    Do you think the average consumer really sees $3.99 as significantly cheaper than $4.00? I don't know, anyway, these are all just my impressions and opinions.

    Take care...

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    Quote Originally Posted by votedean
    I'll slag the truvativs
    Fair enough.... I have no experience with them and I really didn't want this to turn into a this product vs that product thing. I remembered that the switch to Truvativ cranks was not seen as a positive move by some folks here and thought this conversation might be of interest to them.

    Take care...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimv
    He didn't say. Dan joked that it would affect the price by 5 cents and the rep said it was "a lot more" but in reality, KHS would be offered a ridiculous deal by either manufacturer and the increase is really the difference between the 'sweet-deal' prices of the two cranks + the difference in profit markup..... (assuming the overhead isn't affected). I'd guess the consumer cost of the bike would go up by $20.00 - $30.00 dollars max ..... just MY guess. I also suspect a big concern is the cost, as "perceived by the consumer", when that $599.00 tag rolls past the $600.00 mark.

    Do you think the average consumer really sees $3.99 as significantly cheaper than $4.00? I don't know, anyway, these are all just my impressions and opinions.
    That's what I think. I suppose if they made the drastic change just after then people would just see it as them offering the same product at a higher cost when it was the same the year before. But if they make the switch next year and then raise it by $50 then you'd see it as them offering you a better component for a marginal cost.

    I'd certainly pay the extra $50 if I really wanted that frame to come with a true track crank like a Sugino 75.

    In countries where there's tax, I certainly never see $3.99 being cheaper than $4. I always think about the tax involved - in countries where there is no goods tax, then there is a slight perceived difference. At least to me.

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    Damn, and I just bought a flite 100 with the truvativ cranks...doh.

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    I wish they would sell that frame as a frame set, I have parts I like but I love that frame. I know I can get the Spicer's frame but I don't get an employee purchase price with Spicer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrazieF00
    Damn, and I just bought a flite 100 with the truvativ cranks...doh.
    Well, you know, that's why I titled this thread "Somewhere between rumor and reality. They're talking about it but who's to say how long it will be before there is a change ... if ever. I think you did the right thing to buy it. My friend James loves his Flite 100 (though he does have the Suginos) but it isn't only the cranks that he appreciates. Who knows, maybe they'll cut a special deal to Flite 100 owners if they do go back to Suginos. You may get a set cheap yet.

    Just have fun and ride it like it's the coolest bike out there... It's yours so it is.

    Take care...

    Jim

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    Well, I do love my flite 100, but I hate the drivetrain. I do mean HATE it. The thing makes so much noise, rattles, etc. I checked chainline - dead on, lubed chain, checked chain tension; everything. I think the truvativs have a lot to do with it. But out of all the cheapo fixies, I think the Flite is the best one around. I have switched my cockpit to nitto b123/alloy jaguar drop stem so the front end is a lot more solid than the bars/stem that came stock.

    I also think that the cheapo redline BMX chain tugs I am using has something to do with my drivetrain noise...don't know why that would be but I do have a feeling. Anyone know if the MKS chain tugs work with the Flite 100 dropouts? I am making a trip down to businesscycles in a week to have John see if the MKS tugs fit and have him check my chainline since my LBS's in Tallahassee are the worst around for fixie/SS bikes.

    And the only reason why I bit the bullet to buy the 2005 is because I could not find a 2004 one for the life of me, I looked for over 3 months trying to track down a 2004 or older one just so I could get the sugino75's and BB.

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