onelesscar

well said 'adatewithatrain'

andylago

adatewithatrain:

dude, if somebody assaults me, i'm not gonna let him. if you spraypaint the street, a cop will probably try to arrest you. if you try to punch him you might get tazed. i do not bully people because i have a uniform. some do, and they are a holes and that is clearly not right, as i have mentioned before. nor is it right to assault people simply because they are in a uniform. and i wear a uniform and don't have a gun. you try doing this and being assaulted, i guarantee you won't like it and you certainly would take measures to protect your self. if you are carrying a gun in plain view and somebody assaults you, don't you think that suggests this person is not acting rationally? and people who are acting irrationally are certainly capable of doing other irrational things... one never knows. safety first. that guy threw safety right out the window when he began the assault. you're right, painting on the street is small potatoes. i have painted things illegaly. that is not the issue. the issue is violence. punching somebody offensively is violent and inappropriate, no matter how mad you are at the world, no matter what they do for a living, and whether they're an a hole or not. and being tased beats a broken nose or cracked skull any day. sure it feels bad for a few minutes, but you are uninjured. if you get tased for assaulting a police officer, or anybody for that matter, they are actually doing you a favor by not subduing you with sticks. i had the same anti authority views as you do... when i was 13.

andylago

"if it's between him and me, believe me i'm going to make it home at the end of the day if there's anything i can do about it. you would do the same."


i will have you know that this statement represents self defense, not bullying. self defence against unwarranted violence, as has been the theme of my argument from the beginning. stop manipulating my context please.

South Fulcrum

I was hoping that this would start a discussion about guerrilla urban planning. Oh well.

p3ntuprage

no. the cops here have tasers. all forces in the uk are trained to use them.

they're not carried regularly, but since they were introduced last year there have been over 100 incidents where they've been used.

fsnl
sparky

South Fulcrum

I always thought it would awesome to use this thing to ride around the city and make bike lanes.

p3ntuprage

*rock*

also

fsnl
sparky

adatewithatrain

andy lago...you are assuming that the guy with the bike started assaulting the cop...i figured for arguments sake that YOU could think out of the box for a minute and maybe contemplate the fact that maybe it was the cop that started assaulting the dude on the bike. you're first post was automatically defending the cop and basically implying that the guy arrested deserved it. you also admitedly didnt even read the article. thinking that cops are on my side and are going to fix all my problems was something I thought whenI was 13.
In essence i guess what it comes down to is that the article is a bad one...it doesnt give any details to the situation or why the guy swung at the cop but based on normal human behavior...unless a cop was swinging at me or hurting someone i cared about, i doubt i'd swing back at someone who had a weapon that could kill me. You dont know that the guy wasnt defending himself so i think it's tottaly unfair to the guy to suggest that he deserved to be tasered.

adatewithatrain

south fulcrum..i think i met the guy who started making that bike spray paint contraption over a year ago during RNC planning meetings. he was talking about making it as a media project for the RNC not welcome as well as his senior thesis project. awesomeness.
also if your into guerrilla urban planning come to philly this June for Biodemocracy/devestation.

onelesscar

well im 19, and i have anti authoritarian views, its what i believe in, because i want something different that what we have now. i wont go on about it, but i think saying stuff like, tasers are better than a cracked skull, doesnt justify police brutality that i have witnessed.

i understand where you are comming from, but i really dont agree with you. police are state puppets. yes, they are people and im sure lots of them are very nice. but when someone works fro the state, they play a certain role, tasering people is fuked up. end of.

evanyc

"I always thought it would awesome to use this thing to ride around the city and make bike lanes."

sadly, that bike is still in police custody. they showed a video about his arrest at the Bicycle Film Festival on Friday and it was pretty interesting. he was being interviewed by Ron Reagan for Hardball when he was arrested so it was all documented and the cops lied and said they saw him vandalizing the street when he had actually written on it the day before.

brokenrobot

Indeed. It sprays water-soluble chalk and does no permanent damage; he was nonetheless arrested live on national TV whilst being interviewed by Ron Reagan for Hardball with Chris Matthews. The arresting officers testified that they had personally seen him using the device at that time; the film record directly refutes that testimony, since he'd been with the Hardball film crew all morning and had not yet used the bike. As of this writing, the NYPD has not released his bike, and none of the officers who commited purjury have been charged.

Got a link about that biodemocracy project?

-chris

[edit - looks like evanyc beat me to it!]

evanyc

haha were you at BFF on Thursday?

filtersweep

Huh?! What an odd way to end the article.

BTW- this was probably considered to be less "civil disobediance" and more "vandalism/graffiti/criminal mischief" if it involved actual paint... unless the lines were perfectly straight and they used reflective paint.

When it comes to tasers, over 100 people have been killed by them- and the research on their safety has been shoddy. They are nothing to toy with.

Anyone who has seen any police video and still resists arrest is generally stupid. Part of my job is consulting with law enforcement. Some of the nicest cops I know are completely different people when they take down a suspect... they plan on going home unscathed to their families each night.

zelah

if someone took "more than a few swings" at me, i'd use a taser on them

adatewithatrain

I certainly wouldnt have any qualms to pepper spraying them back...you know...if they sprayed/tased me. would i do it? i think i just like to think i would.ahh maybe one day.


as for philly biotech link go to
www.gbug.org

andylago

actually i had said that nobody knows for sure what happened except those who were there. i read the article in this post, not anywhere else. it doesn't matter. i have said many times that some cops are bad, as some people are. i'm not automatically defending all cops. i am not the one assuming. you said anyone who hits a cop in the face with his fist is my hero. clearly no "out of the box" thinking connected to a statement like that. it speaks of violent prejudicial generalizations and makes you no better than the oppressive cops of which you speak. you'd probably make a good one, it's just you're on the other team. i never said the guy was wrong. i said the guy was wrong if he swung at the police. because it is wrong to assault people. and if you guys ever choose to actually consider the SCIENTIFIC data, you will find that tasing is a revolutionary advance in crime scene management (read: less brutal, more effective).

andylago

being enough of an animal to earn a tase is ****ed up. and if it weren't for police, government, etc. we might not be here right now. if there's no authority what's to stop people from taking each other out. i might have been asassinated long ago. or you. and police brutality and tasers are two separate issues. cars can be brutal if used in a certain way, but people don't go around saying driver brutality. ...because it depends on the driver. know what i mean?

adatewithatrain

"consider the SCIENTIFIC data, you will find that tasing is a revolutionary advance in crime scene management (read: less brutal, more effective)."

revolutionary.

wow...you REALLY said that. aaaaamazing.

andylago

we obviously have different ideas of revolution. mine does not involve masses of crazed people screaming, looting, and acting like monkeys.

adatewithatrain

that's funny..neither does mine.

andylago

losing an argument human compensatory mechanism #1:

initiate focused assault on individual words or sentences, ignoring all value of context.

elementary

why, human kindness of course... duh!

dobber

Wow, where do I sign up for the fun?

adatewithatrain

actually i was just getting bored of the argument. If you REALLY want to we can battle over what we think is revolutionary...perhaps another thread should be started for it. calling people monkeys because you dont agree wioth thier ideals doesnt really sound like constructive criticism to me but whatever floats your boat.