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Old 05-18-05, 10:25 AM   #1
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Fixed MTB for Winter Commuting

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I'm working in a shop right now, so I get really deep discounts on new bikes and parts, etc. I'm thinking of picking up a lower-end mountain bike (probably either Trek or Specialized, since that's primarily what we sell). I live in the midwest US, where we get as much as a foot or two of snow on the regular during the winter months. I want to go with the big ole' nobby tires (maybe a suspension fork, but really, that's no thing) for the snow rides. I also figure I'll put fenders and maybe even a rack on it, so that it's fully fitted out. I'll probably do an inner-tube wrap on the frame eventually, too, to protect it in the racks and also to keep it cleaner and minimize the maintenance.

Anyone have any thoughts about making this bike into a fixed gear? One of the other wrenches in the shop is a big fan of fixies, and he might help me with the conversion. I'd like to do it with a minimal amount of parts swapping. Does anyone know about a good MTB wheel that I could get that would already be fitted with a lockring and track cog? I'm not necessarily cool with trying to freeze up the threads with gunk; it would be safer and preferable to put this together the right way, the first time.

Any and all suggestions are welcome!
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I would recomend the white industries ENO. Built for MTB's and is fixed on one side. It is a bit spendy, I think around $150, but it would be cheaper than finding a frame with track dropouts.
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you'll have to get a rear wheel built up with the white industries eno hub if you plan on using any frame with vertical drops. the eccentric hub allows for chain tension adjustment... maybe look for an old mtb frame with semi-horizontal drops or something like a surly karate monkey or 1x1 that has rear facing horizontal drops.
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Ooo...I think I should keep tabs on this thread as I'm leaning the same way.
I checked out the White Industries sight. I would spend 150 on a hub if I picked up the rest of the set up for cheap. It's all about thinking ahead.

Actually, I finally got some time on the track and now want to commute fixed, but don't dare to on the 23cc tyres and am too lazy/frame tolerance restricted to swap out tyres.
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winter biking, one of my favorite subjects.
alls ya need is a bike. just something you don't care about rusting.
otherwise the salt build up is quick-its chemistry. the only chemistry i usually see.
fixed gear is ok in the winter, my humble non bike shop worker opinion.
single speed is ok, in my humble non bike shope worker opinion.
for gears the internal gear thingie is good. i have that on my snowbike.
me thinks many of us have too many bikes, including me. especially since i have a hard time keeping up with their health.
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Does anyone make a single speed or fixed gear MTB? Is anyone manufacturing one of these that you can go out and special order one? I'm sure someone would make a custom one if you would pay for it, but that's really outside the entire ethos of fixed gear riding to begin with. I want it simple and easy; the more complicated it gets, the less interesting it becomes.

Anybody have a link to a fixed gear MTB being built out there?
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Yup, there's lots, but they are kinda pricey. I don't have time to post the links right now but I will later if no else else does.


Luckily, not much salt on my colorado commute.
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Here is the link for Surly's http://www.surlybikes.com/1X1.html
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May I suggest that you find a nice old 70's road touring frame with slack angles that is slightly too small for you? The slack angles give you a nice surefooted ride, and the switch down from 27' to 700c will give you more clearance for fat tires (even though this is not so much an issue with touring frames). They pretty much all have nice long dropouts and all the spots for accessories you could want. If you size the frame a little small it will raise the BB up, use more seatpost and give you more options for stem size. Plus it will go better if you want to ride fast when the roads are nicer (which happens quite alot).

All you need to do is find an old touring bike, switch the rear hub for a fixed one and you're ready to roll, panniers and all. cheap cheap

I went a little overboard with mine (new fork and disc brakes), but those broke, so now I'm just running it like it was born, but with different wheels and saddle.
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I think it would be better to get a cheap bike for your icebike conversion. For deep snow and slush riding, nothing will work properly so even a Walgoose is good enough. Spring is prime garage sale time so it's time to get looking.

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I paid $130 for my ENO hub, then with the rim, spokes, and such it was almost $200. If you work at a shop you can probably get some or all of these at cost or discount. Sheldon Brown also discusses chain tensioners on vertical dropouts and ENO hubs. Personally, I depend on my wheels for the bulk of my transportation year round, so the investment of good wheels is worth every cent.

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I prefer a bit of clearance for winter tyres at least 32s. This is where the conversions (road) get dicey.
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Does anyone make a single speed or fixed gear MTB? Is anyone manufacturing one of these that you can go out and special order one? I'm sure someone would make a custom one if you would pay for it, but that's really outside the entire ethos of fixed gear riding to begin with. I want it simple and easy; the more complicated it gets, the less interesting it becomes.

Anybody have a link to a fixed gear MTB being built out there?
there are many. here are a few:

aside from the surly's mentioned, iro makes a single speed mountain bike frame with rear facing dropouts. on-one makes a ss mtb frame called the inbred... also check out the ss mtb frame here. salsa, kona, azonic, bianchi, santa cruz, cannondale, specialized... all make ss mtb frames... blah blah blah boing boing boing
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Mines, mines!

It's an old MB-2 that I got for $130 as SS (the price of an ENO hub) and I bought an IRO 135mm fixed hub (same as the Kogswell) for $40. So if you can get a bike sans rear wheel for $40, you'd be better off trying to find an old mtb with horiz. dropouts as a complete and building up the back with a cheaper hub.

BTW, it's totally a blast. I have big knobby 2.1ers on and I love getting out there in the nastiness.

http://www.zweknu.org/uploads/snow_bike1_1024.jpg
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Oh, and I discovered to my delight yesterday that a case of Harpoon is exactly as wide as my rack is long. "whip, whip" with the bungee chords and I'm ready roll like a jolly goddamn elf.
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there are many. here are a few:

aside from the surly's mentioned, iro makes a single speed mountain bike frame with rear facing dropouts. on-one makes a ss mtb frame called the inbred... also check out the ss mtb frame here. salsa, kona, azonic, bianchi, santa cruz, cannondale, specialized... all make ss mtb frames... blah blah blah boing boing boing

Thanks...but are these flip flopable for fixed or not. I guess it all comes down to the hub.

And $$$$
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I'm telling ya, its garage sale season and a fixed gear winter touring bike is just the ticket for anyone that lives around snow and roads.
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i doubt any of those come with a fixed/free flipflop hub, but they all could be run as a fixie without an eno hub since they all have rear facing dropouts... except the salsa, which has an eccentric bb.
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lala, that ss mtb frame on chucks bikes is 120. cheap! but not as cheap as an old mtb with semi-horizontal drops or an old touring frame... i like those ideas best still.
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Yup. Don't your friends have any good small crap lying around?

Ok I will hit some garage sales...
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Yup. Don't your friends have any good small crap lying around?

Ok I will hit some garage sales...
good small crap with vertical drops or horizontal? what size and material? i think joe has some older mtb's that could work, but they may be to big... if we find a steel one i know someone with a welder and skillz.
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Check out the Redline Mono-Cog through SBS (www.redlinebicycles.com). A nice, simple bike and it retails for under $400. Generic parts mix, but very sturdy. BMX rear spacing, too.
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Horizontal or track ends! (of course.) Let's chat about this 'offline.' You know, I ride @ 50-52cm or 16-17 ish inches. Any material is ok. I am really stoked yet another bike. I'm sick!
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'offline'!? where's that!?
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Not public, silly. (Unless the rest of the BF think this is interesting?)
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