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Old 07-15-17, 04:39 PM   #101
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If I took a 16lb, $79 bowling ball and placed it on a rack right next to a 16lb, $300 bowling ball, then hollered because one is way more expensive... but never rolled either ball down a lane... I'd have created this thread.
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I can't believe you guys are still following and commenting in this thread.

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So you bought a $100.00 bike for $300.00?

I have some real estate if you are interested.
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If I took a 16lb, $79 bowling ball and placed it on a rack right next to a 16lb, $300 bowling ball, then hollered because one is way more expensive... but never rolled either ball down a lane... I'd have created this thread.
good analogy!
You can roll both balls down the lane for a few games, if you wish, then eventually, I could watch and do estimate of this thoughtful experiment
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Old 07-16-17, 05:18 AM   #105
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A guy walking around weighing bikes is probably not the weirdest thing to happen at Walmart that day. Probably not even that hour.
Our local wally world is called "ghetto-mart" by the locals. I usually hit 'me up first thing on a Saturday morning for a few odd groceries. Every last methed out tweeker is there trying to by stuff with an Access card that doesn't work anymore.

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here are a few pics. whole weight of the bike with seat, seatpost, and pedals is around 28lb, which is the same as an Walmart bike that costs $79.97, and note that the Walmart one has 800g solid steel kick stand and is with 32 mm tires, the frame though is 52 cm vs the motobecane track CF 58cm.
Upgrade the bottom bracket with Shimano BB-UN55 for $20, change tires down to 28mm for $30, true the wheels, remove the heavy kick stand(800g), lube it.
Then it gets under 25 lb, possibly easily outperforms most BD fixies, at urban biking, with the right skillful rider.
Naw, the BD fixed gear still out-performs it (whatever "performs" means in this context). It might be worth $80 to have a spare bike though, or to try out fixed gear before spending real money on one.
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Naw, the BD fixed gear still out-performs it (whatever "performs" means in this context). It might be worth $80 to have a spare bike though, or to try out fixed gear before spending real money on one.
It could be true, it will be a slight difference in the performance if the hubs of the BD fixies are better as they do state for their product. also the BD bike is most probably with 25 mm tires, vs the 28 mm of the walmart one. However there will be a slight weight advantage and lighter rims for the strip and upgrade Wal-Mart bike. Also frame geometry
will favor the BD bike vs the cheapest Wal-Mart one however if one buys and upgrades the Kent Formula Walmart one for $106 then the bike geometry is the same. So the main difference will be in the hubs. if BD hubs are what they stated. Note we are talking about stop and go urban biking , not about pure speed one on track.
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It could be true, it will be a slight difference in the performance if the hubs of the BD fixies are better as they do state for their product. also the BD bike is most probably with 25 mm tires, vs the 28 mm of the walmart one. However there will be a slight weight advantage and lighter rims for the strip and upgrade Wal-Mart bike. Also frame geometry
will favor the BD bike vs the cheapest Wal-Mart one however if one buys and upgrades the Kent Formula Walmart one for $106 then the bike geometry is the same. So the main difference will be in the hubs. if BD hubs are what they stated. Note we are talking about stop and go urban biking , not about pure speed one on track.
The hubs are as they say - but as I mentioned earlier you can also knock 2 pounds almost off the BD bike just by changing the saddle and the tires. Which you do anyway, if you're particular about those things. The frames are also better.

I looked at the Walmart fixies a couple of years ago, having every intention of buying one for $80-100, just to have one. I don't recall exactly what pieces of it turned me off, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it even for that price. And I have more tolerance about that than just about anyone responding here.
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The hubs are as they say - but as I mentioned earlier you can also knock 2 pounds almost off the BD bike just by changing the saddle and the tires. Which you do anyway, if you're particular about those things. The frames are also better.

I looked at the Walmart fixies a couple of years ago, having every intention of buying one for $80-100, just to have one. I don't recall exactly what pieces of it turned me off, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it even for that price. And I have more tolerance about that than just about anyone responding here.
It's probably easier to upgrade the BD bike. The walmart bike has a threaded fork. It's not very easy to find decent ones now, much less threaded stems. Out of curiosity, how did the return go? What was your experience with their customer service?

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It's probably easier to upgrade the BD bike. The walmart bike has a threaded fork. It's not very easy to find decent ones now, much less threaded stems. Out of curiosity, how did the return go? What was your experience with their customer service?

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You mean the freewheel? They were as good as their word and sent me a Shimano replacement within a few days. It was a step up from their stock freewheel, which I shipped back to them. I've probably only put about 100 miles on the freewheel since then, since I decided that I liked fixed better.
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You mean the freewheel? They were as good as their word and sent me a Shimano replacement within a few days. It was a step up from their stock freewheel, which I shipped back to them. I've probably only put about 100 miles on the freewheel since then, since I decided that I liked fixed better.
I was curious about the OP's experience returning the whole bike. Bikes direct is a BBB A+ business, and I have had nothing but good luck with BBB certified companies. Got a 67% discount from a BBB moving company when we moved 900 miles, and the owner found out we had young kids.

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I was curious about the OP's experience returning the whole bike. Bikes direct is a BBB A+ business, and I have had nothing but good luck with BBB certified companies. Got a 67% discount from a BBB moving company when we moved 900 miles, and the owner found out we had young kids.

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Good question then @buzich I'm wondering if he's kept it or sent it back. I'd keep, change out the tires and other things he was talking about, maybe the wheelset.
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Yeah, it is a pretty cool looking bike, esp in yellow Maybe some Wabi sub 1500's would do the trick. Heck, even the Wabi standard wheels might be lighter. They can only do so much at a $310 price point.

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Good question then @buzich I'm wondering if he's kept it or sent it back. I'd keep, change out the tires and other things he was talking about, maybe the wheelset.
BD bike still at the back of the house packed in its box. I'll decide what to do tomorrow, as i said bike is "not as described", i do not see a reason for custom butted 4130 Cromoly frame with CF and wheels which should worth $250 alone, with 25 mm tires to had the weight of the cheapest walmart Hi Ten steel bike with 32 mm tires and heavy 1.75 lb kick stand, plus heavy steel seat tube. The main point of 4130 cromoly butted frame is to reduce its weight over the Hiten steel,not the case here, that means the frame is not properly designed butted 4130 Cromoly. So "product not as described" claim is going through PayPal.

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The hubs are as they say - but as I mentioned earlier you can also knock 2 pounds almost off the BD bike just by changing the saddle and the tires. Which you do anyway, if you're particular about those things. The frames are also better.

I looked at the Walmart fixies a couple of years ago, having every intention of buying one for $80-100, just to have one. I don't recall exactly what pieces of it turned me off, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it even for that price. And I have more tolerance about that than just about anyone responding here.
here is a review of the "cheapest" Walmart freewheel fixie, seems the guy did bought something similar to the $310 BD Motobecane i got
"Better than fixies that cost 3 times as much
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Average rating:5out of5stars, based onreviews
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This is the second one of these Kent Thrusters I've had. The first one was the original model, green/yellow one that came out a few years ago. I bought it in 2012 and rode it for 2 years in NYC. I had to replace the tires and brake pads of the original one, but other than that, it was a very solid bike. In 2014 I got a much more expensive 300+ single speed bike from a different manufacturer and sold the Kent. I regretted it almost immediately. The other bike was constant issues. Flat after flat, defective rear hub, strange clanking sounds that nobody could seem to locate. I started riding a lot again and saw this Kent on sale for $79 and jumped on it. This one is just as good as the first one I had, but has some major improvements as well. #1, the brakes are MUCH BETTER than the original. It now comes with mountain bike style pull brakes that stop great. The tires too are much improved over the original. At first I was a little skeptical at how fat they were and figured they'd be heavy, but they're actually quite light. Max PSI is only 50, and I thought this would be junky too but really it rides quite nice. Take off all the cheesy decals and chain guard, and the blue on black color scheme is very nice looking. When I say I ride a lot, I mean that. I'm a bike messenger in NYC, so bikes take a beating here. These Kent Thrusters are great bikes. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise."

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Seems like good advertisement of cheap walmart bikes durability
Interesting, maybe Bikes Direct should convince the guys that did this video to make similar video for their bikes. Not sure thought that the guys will be able to lift&throw the BD's cast iron bike frames&wheels
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The walmart bike has a threaded fork. It's not very easy to find decent ones now, much less threaded stems.
Both are as common as vanilla ice cream.
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So "product not as described" claim is going through PayPal.
"Product not as imagined" is more like it.
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"Product not as imagined" is more like it.
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You have that wrong as well.
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You have that wrong as well.
Possible not sure you know what it relates to though
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Possible not sure you know what it relates to though
If it appears that I am attacking you, rather than your argument, I am. I am because your problem isn't really the bike. The problem isn't with Bikes Direct's advertising either. The problem is your perception of what has taken place. You believe that you were misled. You were not.
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