Motobecane Track Carbon Fork 58 cm, stay away!!
07-15-17, 12:06 AM
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This thread earns a solid 5/7 rating.
OP needs to escape the typical consumer mindset and join the cycling mindset. This is $310 we're talking about. That's "a lot of money" to people who know nothing about bikes and think $300 is a lot of money to spend on one. You know, most people. On the other side of the fence, I spend more than $300 a year on just tires.
Welcome to cycling. Check out some YouTube. There's a dude that does great reviews and stuff on fixies/SS.
OP needs to escape the typical consumer mindset and join the cycling mindset. This is $310 we're talking about. That's "a lot of money" to people who know nothing about bikes and think $300 is a lot of money to spend on one. You know, most people. On the other side of the fence, I spend more than $300 a year on just tires.
Welcome to cycling. Check out some YouTube. There's a dude that does great reviews and stuff on fixies/SS.
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07-15-17, 06:33 AM
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By the way it weights 28 lb, 51cm frame, with heavy steel kick stand(800g). Usually its bottom bracket is gone in the first few months of riding but upgrade cost about $15 for a new better one in case you can change it by yourself and have the right tools.
You can always spend more on something, the point is to spend less and get functional value depending on what you do with the bike.
why did you spend $100+ for a fork ?
07-15-17, 06:43 AM
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This thread earns a solid 5/7 rating.
OP needs to escape the typical consumer mindset and join the cycling mindset. This is $310 we're talking about. That's "a lot of money" to people who know nothing about bikes and think $300 is a lot of money to spend on one. You know, most people. On the other side of the fence, I spend more than $300 a year on just tires.
Welcome to cycling. Check out some YouTube. There's a dude that does great reviews and stuff on fixies/SS.
OP needs to escape the typical consumer mindset and join the cycling mindset. This is $310 we're talking about. That's "a lot of money" to people who know nothing about bikes and think $300 is a lot of money to spend on one. You know, most people. On the other side of the fence, I spend more than $300 a year on just tires.
Welcome to cycling. Check out some YouTube. There's a dude that does great reviews and stuff on fixies/SS.
07-15-17, 06:59 AM
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So you with no experience, get to be the arbiter of quality and price and their relationship to one another? You keep saying, essentially, that $300 is more than $80, and is, therefore, "expensive". You're only half-right. $300 IS more than $80, but it is still a cheap bike. If you actually follow the links I provided, you'll be able to get an idea of what things cost. At $80 you're only paying marginally more than the cost of the raw materials and the cost of shipping them to wherever they were assembled into a bike.
Anyway, at this point I have to assume you're either trolling, or being willfully obtuse. The folks in this thread aren't all just enthusiasts like me*, some of them work in or even own bike shops. They know precisely about what they are talking.
*) B.S.CSE, Sys. Admin by day.y bikes are my commuter vehicles and weekend toys.
Anyway, at this point I have to assume you're either trolling, or being willfully obtuse. The folks in this thread aren't all just enthusiasts like me*, some of them work in or even own bike shops. They know precisely about what they are talking.
*) B.S.CSE, Sys. Admin by day.y bikes are my commuter vehicles and weekend toys.
If one owns a bike shop, very likely, he/she will try to promote personal business interest so it will be a bias opinion. And I do not mind paying $300 over $80 but if i get better quality and functionality with it. In the case we are talking about supposedly custom butted 4130 Chromoly frame with Carbon fork(carbon should be light, right?) and wheelset that weighs and performs similar to the cheaper $80.
07-15-17, 07:10 AM
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I had to go to Walmarts site to see what all the rave was over this Wallyworld Kent bike. This review is priceless.
Fixie with no fixed gear 10/9/2016
Average rating: 4 out of 5 stars
by Andrew
My bike says fixie on the side but has no fixed gear. There is no flip-flop hub, only a single freewheel gear. I am dumbfounded. The good news is that the gear ratio is nice and allows me to climb even pretty steep hills. The bike is lighter than most cheap mountain bikes, though still above 30 pounds. I previously owned a Roadmaster Granite Peak (the $80 mountain bike), and this bike actually has the exact same problems. The stem does not hold the handlebar well so you'll have to keep tightening it or your handlebar will get loose after some riding (this eventually solves itself when it gets rusty as the rust holds the handlebar on). The left crank arm comes slightly rounded and thus gets loose as you pedal. You can replace this with a new crank arm (around $15) or jerry rig a fix (a bike shop mechanic told me I could try cutting a piece of aluminum can and put it around the spindle to make it tight). Other than that, the chain was too tight from the factory, giving it a rough ride. You just have to loosen the rear axle and move it forward a few millimeters to give the chain more slack (but not too much slack). Riding position is quite nice for me at 5'10", though if you're any shorter the top tube will be too high for you (it is almost too high for me). That's all.
Average rating: 4 out of 5 stars
by Andrew
My bike says fixie on the side but has no fixed gear. There is no flip-flop hub, only a single freewheel gear. I am dumbfounded. The good news is that the gear ratio is nice and allows me to climb even pretty steep hills. The bike is lighter than most cheap mountain bikes, though still above 30 pounds. I previously owned a Roadmaster Granite Peak (the $80 mountain bike), and this bike actually has the exact same problems. The stem does not hold the handlebar well so you'll have to keep tightening it or your handlebar will get loose after some riding (this eventually solves itself when it gets rusty as the rust holds the handlebar on). The left crank arm comes slightly rounded and thus gets loose as you pedal. You can replace this with a new crank arm (around $15) or jerry rig a fix (a bike shop mechanic told me I could try cutting a piece of aluminum can and put it around the spindle to make it tight). Other than that, the chain was too tight from the factory, giving it a rough ride. You just have to loosen the rear axle and move it forward a few millimeters to give the chain more slack (but not too much slack). Riding position is quite nice for me at 5'10", though if you're any shorter the top tube will be too high for you (it is almost too high for me). That's all.
07-15-17, 07:56 AM
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Cycling for commute and cycling to compete are completely different things. Here the comments are about functional bikes that get you from A to B. Talking about professional, or competitive cycling is completely different topic. The point is that the $310 in the case we comment, do not offer you any functional value over the cheap Walmart components. it is assembled with the same cheap components and present as upper grade ones, fraud of a kind
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Why bother?The bike is is not as described!
In no way this is a custom butted 4130 Chromoly frame with Carbon fork(carbon should be light, right?) and wheelset(that alone supposed to cost $250), according BD description of the bike.
Why, then, it weights 25+ lb without pedals(cheap by the away) and a seat&tube(worse than the wal-mart seat).
BD are selling piece of crap described as high quality part, it is the same as stating that gold is a light metal
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I agree with you. Just posting to mention, replace the saddle and tires and you can knock a couple of pounds off that. If that's a consideration of yours.
07-15-17, 11:52 AM
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No , I have not ridden it and have no intention to Why bother?
The bike is is not as described!
In no way this is a custom butted 4130 Chromoly frame with Carbon fork(carbon should be light, right?) and wheelset(that alone supposed to cost $250), according BD description of the bike.
Why, then, it weights 25+ lb without pedals(cheap by the away) and a seat&tube(worse than the wal-mart seat).
BD are selling piece of crap described as high quality part, it is the same as stating that gold is a light metal
Why bother?The bike is is not as described!
In no way this is a custom butted 4130 Chromoly frame with Carbon fork(carbon should be light, right?) and wheelset(that alone supposed to cost $250), according BD description of the bike.
Why, then, it weights 25+ lb without pedals(cheap by the away) and a seat&tube(worse than the wal-mart seat).
BD are selling piece of crap described as high quality part, it is the same as stating that gold is a light metal
All that aside, the number shown on a scale is pretty much the absolute least indicative number of how well a bike will perform or how comfortable it will be to ride. Bike folks have a tendency to obsess over bicycle weight, when it means very little outside of top-level competition.
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No , I have not ridden it and have no intention to Why bother?
The bike is is not as described!
In no way this is a custom butted 4130 Chromoly frame with Carbon fork(carbon should be light, right?) and wheelset(that alone supposed to cost $250), according BD description of the bike.
Why, then, it weights 25+ lb without pedals(cheap by the away) and a seat&tube(worse than the wal-mart seat).
BD are selling piece of crap described as high quality part, it is the same as stating that gold is a light metal
Why bother?The bike is is not as described!
In no way this is a custom butted 4130 Chromoly frame with Carbon fork(carbon should be light, right?) and wheelset(that alone supposed to cost $250), according BD description of the bike.
Why, then, it weights 25+ lb without pedals(cheap by the away) and a seat&tube(worse than the wal-mart seat).
BD are selling piece of crap described as high quality part, it is the same as stating that gold is a light metal
saddle
seatpost
stem
handlebars
bartape
brake levers
brake cables
brake cable housings
brakes
headset
bottom bracket
cranks
chainrings
cogs
lockrings
chains
rims
hubs
spokes
rim tape
tubes
tires
all have mass. The bike frame and fork aren't the majority of the weight of the complete bike. All those little bits add up. Those little bits can be lighter, but lighter little bits cost more. That extra cost adds up to way more than $300. My Little Wing weighs around 16lbs, despite the fact that the frame and fork together weigh, probably, 5-6Lbs*. The titanium frame and crabón fibré fork don't make any of the other parts lighter.
*) WAG here, since No. 22 doesn't give a weight, and I didn't weigh them before building.
07-15-17, 12:02 PM
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I don't know if you're qualified to make an expert analysis of the quality of the bike, as your points of reference are limited to Wal Mart BSOs and this thread's eponymous Motobecane Track. I don't think you're going to find anyone on this forum that is going to offer much in the way of consolation-- you paid for a $300 Chinabike from BD, and that is precisely what you got.
All that aside, the number shown on a scale is pretty much the absolute least indicative number of how well a bike will perform or how comfortable it will be to ride. Bike folks have a tendency to obsess over bicycle weight, when it means very little outside of top-level competition.
All that aside, the number shown on a scale is pretty much the absolute least indicative number of how well a bike will perform or how comfortable it will be to ride. Bike folks have a tendency to obsess over bicycle weight, when it means very little outside of top-level competition.
for me the main things that define biker performance are: Geometry of the bike(ie head/seat tube angle, reach, etc), then biker athletic and riding skills. However, it is as simple as it is custom butted 4130 Chromoly with a carbon fork do not weights the same as similar hi ten steel frame and fork. I can get Wal-Mart , Target bike, or even Ebay one directly delivered from China with similar quality and parts for 1/3 of BD price that is the point of the thread.Also the point of the thread is to help people who do research online, googling, a bike to find what the truth is about a given bike.
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07-15-17, 12:08 PM
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It weighs 25lbs because
saddle
seatpost
stem
handlebars
bartape
brake levers
brake cables
brake cable housings
brakes
headset
bottom bracket
cranks
chainrings
cogs
lockrings
chains
rims
hubs
spokes
rim tape
tubes
tires
all have mass. The bike frame and fork aren't the majority of the weight of the complete bike. All those little bits add up. Those little bits can be lighter, but lighter little bits cost more. That extra cost adds up to way more than $300. My Little Wing weighs around 16lbs, despite the fact that the frame and fork together weigh, probably, 5-6Lbs*. The titanium frame and crabón fibré fork don't make any of the other parts lighter.
*) WAG here, since No. 22 doesn't give a weight, and I didn't weigh them before building.
saddle
seatpost
stem
handlebars
bartape
brake levers
brake cables
brake cable housings
brakes
headset
bottom bracket
cranks
chainrings
cogs
lockrings
chains
rims
hubs
spokes
rim tape
tubes
tires
all have mass. The bike frame and fork aren't the majority of the weight of the complete bike. All those little bits add up. Those little bits can be lighter, but lighter little bits cost more. That extra cost adds up to way more than $300. My Little Wing weighs around 16lbs, despite the fact that the frame and fork together weigh, probably, 5-6Lbs*. The titanium frame and crabón fibré fork don't make any of the other parts lighter.
*) WAG here, since No. 22 doesn't give a weight, and I didn't weigh them before building.
07-15-17, 12:15 PM
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here are a few pics. whole weight of the bike with seat, seatpost, and pedals is around 28lb, which is the same as an Walmart bike that costs $79.97, and note that the Walmart one has 800g solid steel kick stand and is with 32 mm tires, the frame though is 52 cm vs the motobecane track CF 58cm.
Upgrade the bottom bracket with Shimano BB-UN55 for $20, change tires down to 28mm for $30, true the wheels, remove the heavy kick stand(800g), lube it.
Then it gets under 25 lb, possibly easily outperforms most BD fixies, at urban biking, with the right skillful rider.
Upgrade the bottom bracket with Shimano BB-UN55 for $20, change tires down to 28mm for $30, true the wheels, remove the heavy kick stand(800g), lube it.
Then it gets under 25 lb, possibly easily outperforms most BD fixies, at urban biking, with the right skillful rider.
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07-15-17, 12:27 PM
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Your cog is slipping.
Do you really have nothing better to do with your time than going to Walmart to weigh crappy bikes and report your findings on the internet?
People are so ****ing weird.
People are so ****ing weird.
07-15-17, 12:30 PM
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If I took a 16lb, $79 bowling ball and placed it on a rack right next to a 16lb, $300 bowling ball, then hollered because one is way more expensive... but never rolled either ball down a lane... I'd have created this thread.
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A guy walking around weighing bikes is probably not the weirdest thing to happen at Walmart that day. Probably not even that hour.