Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 70
  1. #1
    Senior Member sanford_w/o_son's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    capital of the u.s.s.a.!!!
    Posts
    84
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    too proud to pay a mean guy $5 for his "trash"

    so i'm standing in the alley, helping a friend move stuff into his place, when suddenly a dumpster garbage truck backs up to us from the street. what do i behold atop the most recently collected trash in the truck's bin but a schwinn letour frame and fork (and most else except wheels) in visibly good condition. it was like fate itself was commanding me to fixie up this bike.

    until the garbage guy came round back from the driver's cabin.

    concerned that he might freak out if i just reach in, i ask "hey, can i take this bike?" to which he responds "if you pay me." i give him a suprised smile, to which he keeps his deadpan expression and sour attitude and responds "i'm serious." still smiling, i ask "well, how much do you want?" and he responds, still deadpan, "five bucks." so i consider it for a second. i tell him "it's yours" and casually get back to my business.

    now, most bike folks acting rationally would easily hand over the five bucks and grab the frame with a smile. but i just didn't want to make a mean guy five dollars better off for helping him unload some of his "trash", even if the trash was my treasure. it was an emotional decision, i know, in that we would both lose out economically but i'd at least keep my pride in not helping out this guy i didn't respect. but, of course, i still waver between regret and pride.

    did i do the right thing? is there a garbage truck etiquette that i'm not aware of, which holds that even the "trash" the garbage workers think is trash can be for sale to those who value it? or should the guy have just been cool about the frame and told me "yeah, take it--it's trash."

  2. #2
    Retrogrouch in Training bostontrevor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Knee-deep in the day-to-day
    Posts
    5,484
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Technically the trash becomes the property of the trash collection company. Until that point it's the property of the homeowner. But whatever.

    Sure, he should have given you the frame for nothing. It was obviously no skin off his back. On the other hand, you're disrupting his routine and he figures it's a good way to make a couple of bucks. I mean while he's selling you something he doesn't own, you're asking him to give you something for nothing.

    Who's in the wrong? If I wanted it, I would have given the $5. I mean it's just $5.

  3. #3
    crotchety young dude el twe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    SF, CA
    My Bikes
    IRO Angus; Casati Gold Line; Redline 925; '72 Schwinn Olympic Paramount
    Posts
    4,818
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    $5 for a LeTour? Ooh, I woulda done it...
    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacKid View Post
    I explained that he could never pay me enough cash for the amount of work I had put into that bike and the only way to compensate me for it was to ride the hell out of it.
    IRO Angus Casati Gold Line

  4. #4
    GG + Wendy O. 4EVA raygunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Blatz To The Future
    Posts
    1,482
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Yeah, those guys will get like 50 cents for it when they sell it to the scrap metal place.

    The junkers take LOADS of bikes to the scrap yard every day here in Chicago. Well, at least the one by my house.

    Dude. If I have those junkers sell 'em to me. Then I sell 'em on CL.

    Maybe.

  5. #5
    jack of one or two trades Aeroplane's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Suburbia, CT
    My Bikes
    Old-ass gearie hardtail MTB, fix-converted Centurion LeMans commuter, SS hardtail monster MTB
    Posts
    5,635
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The dude was within his rights to ask for $5, HOWEVER, that does not absolve him for being a dick about it.

    I wouldn't have paid him either. What's to keep him from just taking stuff, and holding it for ransom in the back of his stanky truck? Best nip this problem in the bud, after all, if the United States of America does not negotiate with terrorists, why should you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Irwin Goldstein
    Men should never ride bicycles. Riding should be banned and outlawed. It is
    the most irrational form of exercise I could ever bring to discussion.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Posts
    718
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    maybe I missed something but what exactly did the guy do to disrespect you?  Iím sure the guy was loaded and was asking for $5 to be a dick. Seriously, if this is the worst thing that happened in your life today, consider yourself fortunate.

  7. #7
    Senior Member The Octopus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    FL
    My Bikes
    Dolan Forza; IRO Jamie Roy; Giant TCR Comp 1; Specialized Tri-Cross Sport; '91 Cannondale tandem; Fuji Tahoe MTB
    Posts
    1,092
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The guy was a lame wanger. The bike wasn't his to sell. Some people just get off by taking a piss in someone else's Cheerios....

  8. #8
    hello roadfix's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Los Angeles
    My Bikes
    thank you for asking
    Posts
    18,502
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I would have given him the five, and another five to have him reach in and get the bike for ya...
    .cinelli.olympic.surly.long.haul.trucker.kona.ku.surly.steamroller.
    .litespeed.classic.litespeed.firenze.bianchi.pista.dean.colonel.plus.more.

  9. #9
    Senior Member twiz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Somerville, MA
    My Bikes
    jacobs
    Posts
    90
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    a perfect time to haggle. I would have said how about a buck.

  10. #10
    Love me some Crown... Plinkerton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Santa Barbara, CA
    My Bikes
    Specialized Rockhopper, Nishiki Custom Fixed Conversion
    Posts
    309
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Man, pride and ego are overrated. I've been busting my ass trying to find ANY decent frame around here to fix up, and it's been a huge pain. If it was a decent frame, I would have GLADLY handed him 20$ for it.

    You have your "pride" and now a bike that could have ridden the streets again is going into the trash heap, and you're out a frame.

    But, then again, I'm definitely not you, and as illogical as the decision might have been, it was a strongheaded one, and there's nothing wrong with being a little strongheaded...

  11. #11
    switching to guns ch0mb0's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    kings county, nyc
    My Bikes
    allez fuji tracku nishiki TT GT KHS arrow Miner 29'er CIOCC Corsair and now a f*cking awesome waterford skeet velo
    Posts
    1,968
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    It may have been worth the $5 bucks. Sucks that it was only trash to him until someone else expressed interest in the item.

    I also find your username somewhat ironic in this case.
    Fate is the Hunter
    http://ch0mb0.net/images/Ploesti2.jpg
    http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8...turesiggp8.jpg
    What are they doing? Why do they come here? Some kind of instinct. Memory, of what they used to do. This was an important place in their lives.
    http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8074/dodcm.jpg

  12. #12
    old codger icithecat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Victoria B.C.
    Posts
    1,124
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    To put things in perspective, can you still get a cup of coffee for under $5 in Chicago?

  13. #13
    ambassador of good will *new*guy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    NOVA
    My Bikes
    many.
    Posts
    2,020
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I bid 25$!

  14. #14
    Senior Member peripatetic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    NYC
    My Bikes
    All 70s and 80s, only steel.
    Posts
    2,124
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by twiz
    a perfect time to haggle. I would have said how about a buck.



    I'd like to tweak the interpretation on this just a little.

    Sorry to maybe try and overanalyze you for a sec, sw/os, but maybe it wasn't just your pride working here. Maybe it was a certain conviction on your part that you shouldn't validate such blindly crappish behavior.

    Personally, given my big mouth and somewhat sour disposition, I would have taken this as an opportunity to give him a small lecture and at the same time, try and soften him up a bit: "REALLY? Are you kidding? It's merely trash, I'm offering to unburden you a bit, maybe even make your job a little easier, and you're actually trying to make money off of it? Man, I can't believe I actually thought you might be cool! Guess I was wrong. That's so uncool." Sounds ridiculous, but guilt is a weapon employed my moms the world over and throughout history to great effect.

    Then, if he were to respond with some further dickishness, I'd proceed with Twiz's strategy. But the best position to get yourself into is him walking away from you and not vice versa. Basically, then, you're looking at a guy who is not only rejecting an opportunity to be nice for a sec, but who's also too dumb to make anything off of a piece of trash that he's going to have to deal with later anyway.

    In that case, he's a lost cause no matter how you look at it.


  15. #15
    Sheldon Certified Jaminsky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    San Francisco And Crimebridge
    My Bikes
    '81 Bianchi road/track conversion, certified by Sheldon
    Posts
    203
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Should've bargained.

  16. #16
    Gone, but not forgotten Shiznaz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Toronto
    My Bikes
    spicer fixie, Haro BMX, cyclops track, Soma Double Cross, KHS Flite 100
    Posts
    4,509
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Or dove into the back of the truck and made a mad dash for the hills with the stinky frame
    I'm biking across North America on the Internet!
    http://thedoublecross.blogspot.com/

  17. #17
    Traffic shark
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    California
    My Bikes
    2 fixies, 1 road, 29er in the works.
    Posts
    4,612
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by peripatetic
    [color=darkgreen]Personally, given my big mouth and somewhat sour disposition, I would have taken this as an opportunity to give him a small lecture and at the same time, try and soften him up a bit: "REALLY? Are you kidding? It's merely trash, I'm offering to unburden you a bit, maybe even make your job a little easier, and you're actually trying to make money off of it? Man, I can't believe I actually thought you might be cool! Guess I was wrong. That's so uncool." Sounds ridiculous, but guilt is a weapon employed my moms the world over and throughout history to great effect.
    If I were the trashman in this case, had you said it to me, I would have hit the compress button. Well, no, I would have the bike in the CAB of the truck. But, in reality, I'd do what it takes to piss you off completely.

    The reality being, he wanted 5 bucks. It's reasonable. You expect something for free, at any moment, from a complete stranger, you, are unreasonable.

    Given that the original poster was mad because the driver wasn't nice, let me ask you something.

    Did you want customer service from a guy who picks up **** all day long? Are you that ****ing ********?
    Regards,
    William
    For the SD Crowd

    sdbikecommuter.com

    View from the handle bars:
    sdcyclist.blogspot.com

  18. #18
    more ape than man timmhaan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    nyc
    Posts
    8,093
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by sanford_w/o_son
    so i'm standing in the alley, ....
    i love stories that start off like this.

  19. #19
    contrarian lala's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    CO Springs
    My Bikes
    80's ross road bike/commuter, 80's team miyata, 90's haro mtb xtracycle conversion, koga mitaya world traveler
    Posts
    2,848
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by William Karsten
    If I were the trashman in this case, had you said it to me, I would have hit the compress button. Well, no, I would have the bike in the CAB of the truck. But, in reality, I'd do what it takes to piss you off completely.

    The reality being, he wanted 5 bucks. It's reasonable. You expect something for free, at any moment, from a complete stranger, you, are unreasonable.

    Given that the original poster was mad because the driver wasn't nice, let me ask you something.

    Did you want customer service from a guy who picks up **** all day long? Are you that ****ing ********?

    Chill out, Willy. The above is uncalled for.
    Higher ground for the apocalypse!

  20. #20
    Traffic shark
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    California
    My Bikes
    2 fixies, 1 road, 29er in the works.
    Posts
    4,612
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by lala
    Chill out, Willy. The above is uncalled for.
    OK Lala, you're next. First, it's slick Willy. Or *******. But not Willy. OK?

    And, while I think it was called for, I'll revamp what I said.


    To the poster:
    Did you consider it your right to receive customer service from a guy who picks up other people's refuse all day long? Are you mentally challenged, or do you honestly feel you have that right?
    Regards,
    William
    For the SD Crowd

    sdbikecommuter.com

    View from the handle bars:
    sdcyclist.blogspot.com

  21. #21
    more ape than man timmhaan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    nyc
    Posts
    8,093
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    the OP didn't talk about "rights" , he just said he didn't respect the guys candor. he asked a simple question, the guy didn't budge, he was taken back, and then went about his business. i wouldn't have paid him either.

  22. #22
    Traffic shark
    Join Date
    May 2001
    Location
    California
    My Bikes
    2 fixies, 1 road, 29er in the works.
    Posts
    4,612
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan
    the OP didn't talk about "rights" , he just said he didn't respect the guys candor. he asked a simple question, the guy didn't budge, he was taken back, and then went about his business. i wouldn't have paid him either.
    You're right, he didn't. But the question remains, what did he expect from a guy who gets paid very a very average wage to do something that is A) Dangerous, B) Crappy C)At times laden with corruption?

    Sometimes, the approach is everything. It is my assumption, and I could be wrong, that the approach was not done with the manner which is portrayed here. Certainly his demeanor toward the guy could be seen as not to friendly. Perhaps, we can look at it from the Trash collector's point of view.


    Quote Originally Posted by Trash Man
    So there I am, in the alley, doing my rounds. The radio has been blaring all day and my back is killing me. The same person had a 40 pound can full of used cat litter and when you dump that @#$# you get @#$y dust all over yourself. Man, if I had only finished college. Anyway day is half done, Iím behind because every jerk in a SUV has cut me off only to double park. Iíll have to finish and possible not get over time. Add to that, I just got done arguing with some jerk who was mad because I wonít take 10 gallons of motor oil.. ďno one will find outĒ. Sure sure.. I get fined for that ****. Some guy comes up to me yelling out loud, like I canít here ďHey can I have that bike in the back of your truckĒ. Now, I can get fired for this, people climbing on my truck. Heís clean as whistle and Iím just about to go. But, hey, the guy wantís a bike, itíll go to good use, maybe for his kid or something. So I tell him ďsure, if you pay me..Ē. Iím late, and he looks at me like Iím some sort of freak. The guy looks like heís got cash, and I didnít bring lunch money today, and when jerk in the SUV swerved in front of me, my lunch got chucked on the floor so Iím starving. He looks at me like Iím some sort of used car salesmen trying to sell him a warranty. So I tell him Iím serious. He ask how much and I figure 5 bucks is fair. Iíve seen the bikes going for 25 Ė 50 in the stores, and itís one of them old Schwinns like I used to want when I was a kid, not them cheasey new ones. He gives me that look like I should just let him rummage through the back. Iíd get fired for letting people do that and Iím late. People.. donít know about them sometimes. Figure that since Iím trash guy I should be happy they talk to me.
    Regards,
    William
    For the SD Crowd

    sdbikecommuter.com

    View from the handle bars:
    sdcyclist.blogspot.com

  23. #23
    guest rusholme's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    233
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    ha ha

    today is the best day EVER for the forums in a long time - mayo and WK in full effect. and that boston craigslist post.
    thanks guys!

  24. #24
    Listen to me powers2b's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Lexus Texas
    Posts
    2,791
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I would have at least offered to Roshambo for it.

    Enjoy

  25. #25
    Senior Member peripatetic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    NYC
    My Bikes
    All 70s and 80s, only steel.
    Posts
    2,124
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by William Karsten
    You're right, he didn't. But the question remains, what did he expect from a guy who gets paid very a very average wage to do something that is A) Dangerous, B) Crappy C)At times laden with corruption?
    Actually, considering the hours they work, trash collectors receive quite a good wage. If they work for local municipalities, they're also unionized and that gives them lots of benefits and time off. If they work for a private contractor, chances are that they're paid well and have decent hours, and probably not there as a permanent worker. I'd rather do trash collection than janitorial work anytime. I've had friends who worked in trash collection, and while they wouldn't describe it as a dream job, they also found it fairly lucrative.

    I think you're kind of selling the garbage man short here. Just because a person deals in trash, one should not assume that they're going to be sour or resentful. I'd say postal workers are probably worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by williamkarsten
    Sometimes, the approach is everything. It is my assumption, and I could be wrong, that the approach was not done with the manner which is portrayed here. Certainly his demeanor toward the guy could be seen as not to friendly. Perhaps, we can look at it from the Trash collector's point of view.
    Actually, it kind of just sounded like the guy was copping attitude, and maybe even trying to f#!k with the OP's head. As I stated above, the OP probably could have worked him a little more, played the friendly, chatty neighborhood dude. Why do you think being direct about asking for a little kindness would immediately engender a nasty reaction? In my experience, people, no matter who they are, don't like feeling mean when a stranger's just being friendly and direct.

    A simple greeting in advance of the OP's request probably wouldn't have hurt, and could have paid a nice dividend. But it didn't sound like he was playing the 'spoiled brat,' either. You're jumping to a lot of conclusions and reading a lot into this scenario that wasn't really related, WK. The above tirade sure seems disproportional to the OP. You're doing the equivalent of online bellowing.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •