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Old 06-28-05, 08:13 PM   #1
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so i want to start riding to work...i asked the security guard today of there are a lot of thefts from the rack att he side door to the building. he said that bikes were stolen every once and a while....usually by bike messengers.

ive heard that before...

...are the guys here just the nice messengers? do bike messengers actually steal bikes?

whats up?

in the same convo th eguard asked what kind bike i had, i responded "track"...he got all excited.."me too...i just bought a hybrid"....confused i asked him to elaborate..."please elaborate

turns out he had a trek hybrid bike....he was so excited about it...hey whatever makes you happy....but it gave me a chuckle
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Old 06-28-05, 08:17 PM   #2
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I would guess that the doorman just can't necessarily tell the difference between a lot of the dirtier bike messengers and the crumbbums and gutterpunks. But which building do you work in? i mean in my experience, i see a lot of messengers just locking the rear wheel to the frame and on some occasions outside of my building, I've seen them completely unlocked! I think thats asking for it but I'm not one to teach the lesson.
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the question of the day, how the hell does he know that the thieves are messengers? dude sounds like a tool.

on that note, there are no bike messengers in kc, and bike theft isn't a huge problem around here, so maybe he's telling the truth.
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It's the caffeine which makes people want to steal...
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i don't know how it is in philly, but in nyc, the sexy/punk messenger on a track bike is the minority of the bike messengers.

plenty of those dudes rolling around on crusty old bargain basement mountain bikes look like they're more than capable of stealing anything that gets in their way.

not to generalize of course, but just pointing out the fact, despite what some people want to believe, that bike messengering is not "owned" by the track bike riding punks.
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so i want to start riding to work...i asked the security guard today of there are a lot of thefts from the rack att he side door to the building. he said that bikes were stolen every once and a while....usually by bike messengers.

ive heard that before...

...are the guys here just the nice messengers? do bike messengers actually steal bikes?

whats up?

in the same convo th eguard asked what kind bike i had, i responded "track"...he got all excited.."me too...i just bought a hybrid"....confused i asked him to elaborate..."please elaborate

turns out he had a trek hybrid bike....he was so excited about it...hey whatever makes you happy....but it gave me a chuckle

YEP it your own that steals from ya! Sad to say it is but true.

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My friend caught someone trying to steal his front wheel in the front of the building where his courier company's depot is, at the rack directly in front of the security desk. Dude was just standing there. Those guys can be pretty dense. Most couriers know what it feels like to have a bike or part stolen, and have extreme disdain for bike thieves.
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to some people who are into scavenging, it seems, there's a very vague line between theft and scavenging. of course, that usually applies to situations where there's a vague line between scavengable bike and garbage.
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as far as philly goes...you mean that messenger on the pink bike with the pink bag...he's my hero

right now im actually in DC....downtown
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Not to make myself unpopular here, but I've had a few messengers tell me that they will take parts or bikes from time to time to enhance their stables. Not the majority by any means, but there are a few...

I almost posted a story in another thread about one such run-in I had, but decided to avoid the drama....

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm talking about two guys I knew in Tucson who would jack **** on their off-hours. Not much of a messenger community there to regulate on people like that, so they got away with it.

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I don't know how it is in other cities, but in Houston if there were something like that among us they paid a stiff price. In 8 1/2 years on the road there only one can I remember. Stole parts with his tools from non-courier bikes and accidentally from a few working bikes. Not much cycling in downtown Houston, the problem became apparant quick. Bikes would get stolen occasionally on the outskirts of downtown near some bad areas..but parts off bikes parked at nice buildings? So when it was figured out he was surprised to come out of a building one day to find his own ride quite literally wrapped around the pole he'd locked it to. Frame and wheels. Quite destroyed. He was even more surprised to find us still standing there with a set of grim expressions for him as well as a few harsh words. His final surprise (we never saw him again) was one of his crew advising him to hand over his radio and all freight per the dispatchers orders. Blackballed and No last check. Very embarrassed I expect he was.
I'd only been on the road a year and was not surprised but happy since I'd had that same misperception before I started.

In T.O. we know who the shops are that buy from the thieves and shun them altogether and the customers too if you happen to find such a thing out about a person. It's a much larger messenger community, not everyone knows one another and there must be a few bad apples but they wouldn't want it to be common knowledge. Imagine the perfectly natural reaction of anyone who has the tool they use to put bread on the table stolen from them, then imagine the disdain for bike thieves they'd have.
I don't think there's much in way of "frontier justice" for them in these very socialized and civilized parts but they couldn't possibly get hired at teh good companies that have the core community working the roads as we DO all know each other. There are enough bike theives here in T.O. that they don't need to work as messengers anyway, apparantly it's a thriving business. You bring it in at night around here. And you don't leave it out all day unless you can see it.
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I sure as heck cant speak for all my colleagues, but, explain to me just how and what am I supposed to do with a second bike in the middle of my work shift? Cant just ditch the thing somewhere, nor can I ride two bikes or carry the second one around with me all day.I have carried a second bike on one shoulder and ridden and trust me, you dont want to do that for very far, 4 miles bout killed me on a couple parts of the trip.If youve ever heard of the code of blue that cops have,same way with messengers, we protect ourselves and each other, I might take a rival messengers customers without a hesitation, but you sure as hell dont mess with their ride, and if they need help, you give it to them no questions asked.Stealing their parts goes against everything most of us believe in.Other bikers arent likely to have anything we want neither, bikes for working arent rec rides.
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Not to make myself unpopular here, but I've had a few messengers tell me that they will take parts or bikes from time to time to enhance their stables. Not the majority by any means, but there are a few...

I almost posted a story in another thread about one such run-in I had, but decided to avoid the drama....
I don't know what messengers you talk to , but I know that if any bike messenger I know comes across a bike thief, ITS ON!!!

Now, you might see a messenger pissing on a hipster's blinged out cinelli tho
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before somebody kills me...there was supposed to be a tittle at the end of the thread title....im not accusing anybody
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I don't know what messengers you talk to , but I know that if any bike messenger I know comes across a bike thief, ITS ON!!!

Now, you might see a messenger pissing on a hipster's blinged out cinelli tho
I'm not talking about anyone in SF, BTW, most of the messengers I've met in SF have been pretty cool. I've lived and worked other places...

Although pissing on someones ride, hipster or not, is pretty f'd up too...

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Old 06-28-05, 09:23 PM   #16
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So I'm looking around myspace tonight and I come across a group forum that is all about talking about how to steal bikes. It's called something like bicycle bandits. Believe it or not they actually are discussing this too.
http://groups.myspace.com/bicyclebandits
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thats fscked.....

I know a buncha past and present messengers from PDX and the messenger scene is way too small for for anything to go unnoticed...... pretty close knit group asided from the to be expected squabbles and as far as them jackin other peeps stuff, doubt it....

we had a party on belmont at the beggining of the month were my roomie got his messenging bag ripped off from the middle of the party (kinda his fault shouldnt leave your bag laying around unattended) but he complained about it his CD's and clipboard etc (which later he found scattered outside)....

guarantee it was the gutter punks.....

edit: and that was way off topic, I need another beer
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I don't think those are real bike theives, more like a bunch of HS kids joking around.
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nah it wasnt HS kids guarantee there weren't any at that party..... but it wasn't bike thieves.... you're right on that, I guess I was trying to make the drunk connection that messengers get their gear ripped off too.
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I don't know how it is in other cities, but in Houston if there were something like that among us they paid a stiff price. In 8 1/2 years on the road there only one can I remember. Stole parts with his tools from non-courier bikes and accidentally from a few working bikes. Not much cycling in downtown Houston, the problem became apparant quick. Bikes would get stolen occasionally on the outskirts of downtown near some bad areas..but parts off bikes parked at nice buildings? So when it was figured out he was surprised to come out of a building one day to find his own ride quite literally wrapped around the pole he'd locked it to. Frame and wheels. Quite destroyed. He was even more surprised to find us still standing there with a set of grim expressions for him as well as a few harsh words. His final surprise (we never saw him again) was one of his crew advising him to hand over his radio and all freight per the dispatchers orders. Blackballed and No last check. Very embarrassed I expect he was.
I'd only been on the road a year and was not surprised but happy since I'd had that same misperception before I started.
I needed to hear that.
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Although pissing on someones ride, hipster or not, is pretty f'd up too...
How about pissing in a water bottle and using it as a weapon against cabbies that cut you off?
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there are cops who break the law
doctors that hurt people
cooks that spit in food
arsonist firefighters
messengers who steal bikes
and there are tons of other pieces of sh1t, who do things to people for no other reason other then they think they are better the rest of us, or feel they deserve more then they have gotten.

**** em!
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How about pissing in a water bottle and using it as a weapon against cabbies that cut you off?
hahaha nice, and honestly if you were a cabbie/driver would you rather face U-Lock justice? or mystery liquid #1?
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Does anybody remember when Trackstar in NYC was robbed? I believe they recovered all the parts at a courier company. Go figure.

Shady people exist in every walk of life, not just messengers. But when it comes to track/fixed gear bikes there is probably a relatively small number of people who know what these bikes are and their value. A good percentage of those being messengers. A classic case of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch.
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Does anybody remember when Trackstar in NYC was robbed? I believe they recovered all the parts at a courier company. Go figure.

Shady people exist in every walk of life, not just messengers. But when it comes to track/fixed gear bikes there is probably a relatively small number of people who know what these bikes are and their value. A good percentage of those being messengers. A classic case of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch.
seconded. "Messenger" is not a single entity, there are good and bad in every group.
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