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Old 06-29-05, 02:36 PM   #1
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Phil spec'ed bearings in Nashbar hub?

I'm pretty sure that this can be done. Does anyone know for a fact if this is true? Also, how much do they run? The Phil website is a bit confusing - I'm not sure how they price them.

I'd like to put Phil spec'ed bearings in my new Nashbar (formula/IRO) track hubs. Has anyone else done this?
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once again (as far as myself and the forum can tell) the nashbar hubs are not IRO/formula. similar, but not the same. look closely.

the concept is sound. i think that someone on the forum did this with IRO hubs. it seems like a great idea, and i think you should go for it and let us know the result.
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oh! now i feel like an idiot. I guess I missed that thread. Thanks for the FYI, though.

Yeah, i'll probably do it. They already feel pretty solid, but it would be nice rolling on Phil's bearings, though. I guess I should call Phil & see which ones I need.
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once again (as far as myself and the forum can tell) the nashbar hubs are not IRO/formula. similar, but not the same. look closely.

the concept is sound. i think that someone on the forum did this with IRO hubs. it seems like a great idea, and i think you should go for it and let us know the result.
actually, i think i have some info about this; i saw a picture of a novatec hub (black) that had the smae cut-outs and shell as the nashbar hubs, so i did a little digging, and it looks like novatec and formula hubs are made by the same taiwanese company.

this was all pieced together from catalog listings and posts to various forums, so i can't prove anything though
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Don't call Phil and ask about bearings on your Nashbar hubs. They probably won't know.

Pop them out and stamped on the bearing housing will be a number. This is the standard ISO (I think it's ISO...some standards body at any rate) cartridge bearing size.
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Formula and Novatec are NOT the same company.

Formula Engineering Inc.
www.formulahubs.com

Novatec - also known as JoyTech.
www.joy-tech.com.tw
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Or perhaps call Nashbar, they should be able to tell you the size, which is all you need. Once you have that, the Phil site is pretty detailed on which bearings to order for a specific size.

Another good choice for Bearings is NTN Bearings. They are probably nicer than Phil bearings (more expensive though). The good thing about NTN though is that you can likely find them in most major cities in North America. Again, all you need is the size of your Nashbar bearings.
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Formula and Novatec are NOT the same company.

Formula Engineering Inc.
www.formulahubs.com

Novatec - also known as JoyTech.
www.joy-tech.com.tw
good to know, thank you.
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So when you find out what the size is, can you post it? Please!
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As trevor said, look at the bearing seal very closely, you'll probably have to remove the wheel froom the frame, and find a number on the seal. You might need a magnifing glass if you don't see to well. Call mr. phil with this number, a few bucks and days later and brand new bearings show up at your house!

Guys. This isn't hard. Just do it.
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n6000rs
you're gonna need a 15mm cone wrench and and a 17mm(?!) wrench to get the nuts off.
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I'll take these bad boys apart this weekend and let you know what I find. I lost my cone wrenches, so I have to pick up some new ones.
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I'll take these bad boys apart this weekend and let you know what I find. I lost my cone wrenches, so I have to pick up some new ones.
umm, i already did, check out the post above yours.
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ahhh, oops! i though that n6000rs was some sort of crazy internet jargon i wasn't familar with.

i feel stupid.
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okay. nuts are off. How exactly do you pop the bearings out? it's been ages since i've overhauled a hub like this.
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nevermind. i read the IRO hub maintence thread. MAN i've been asking some stupid questions...
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So.. Just to clear things up, which Phil spec'd bearing is an exact match for the bearings in the Nashbar track hubs?

I see that the Nashbar hub is a 6000 series, but Phil has several bearings that begin with 6xxx, but nothing that says '6000' specifically.

Anyone know for sure? Otherwise I'll disassemble one and measure with my .001" micrometers, but I just dialed in my chain tension, and I don't want to lose it if I don't have to.

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Looks like Phil doesn't sell 6000s anymore. You want a straight 6000, it's gonna be 10mm ID, 26mm OD, and 8mm thick. SKF is good.

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This is the standard ISO (I think it's ISO...some standards body at any rate) cartridge bearing size.
Metric, as it turns out.
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What are the other good cart. bearing manufacturers? I've heard about SKF. Who makes those Enudra/Enduro ones and how do they stack up vis-a-vis Philso and SKF?
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What are the other good cart. bearing manufacturers? I've heard about SKF. Who makes those Enudra/Enduro ones and how do they stack up vis-a-vis Philso and SKF?
SKF makes very high quality bearings. One of the best names in the industry. You can even order ceramic bearings from them if you want to do that. Advantages are a better roundness, longer wear, lower rolling friction in the bearing resulting in a smoother spin. Not cheap, but they last a long time.
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Looks like Phil doesn't sell 6000s anymore. You want a straight 6000, it's gonna be 10mm ID, 26mm OD, and 8mm thick. SKF is good.
Damn Phil and his black metal soul! Why do you not sell 6000s anymore!?! Oh well, probably because they have no need of them. I suppose I can forgive him...

Thanks for the dimensions, that is just what the doctor ordered. I'll look into some bearing sources. I don't plan on replacing my bearings right now, since the carts in there are smoother than most, but it'll be good to have some high quality replacements in mind for when they eventually go south.

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Anyone have quick links to good bearing sources?
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Last I heard they were just out of stock on the 6000 bearings. You could email brent at philwood and check to see if they have any in stock.
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Anyone have quick links to good bearing sources?

http://www.bikemannetwork.com/biking...RINGSSC/BB5000

ABEC-5, 9 bucks apiece
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