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Old 07-27-05, 08:26 PM   #1
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I saw a messenger on a scooter today...

no not a razor scooter, that would have been funny. no, it was a motorized scooter, it was sad.

I was driving back to frederick, md, leaving dc when I saw him. His helmet endowing him with a false sense of danger, as he screamed down the road at what must have been ten miles per hour. Look out kids, he might beep his horn at you... His red and black bag looked oddly of Lazer Couriers, what a sad day that would be. When I got next to him all I could think was, this guy could bennefit from riding a bicycle. Maybe this was what he rode on extremely hot days? No, there were plenty of other messengers riding their bikes, this was no bicycle rider, not even close.

Oh well, he had a giant smile on his face, something few bikers have while they ride through dc.

maybe ignorance is bliss....
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Old 07-27-05, 08:32 PM   #2
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You don't understand the messenger hierarchy. At the very bottom are the bike messengers. Next, the car/truck guys. After that you get to the scooter types.

And the creme de la creme, the titans of the messenger world.. the walkers. I mean, look at 'em : they're old, they're wise, they're speaking in tongues half the time. Perhaps one day, you too can be a walker.
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There is an old saying that goes....
Scooters and fat girls are great fun to ride, until your friends catch you.
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oh man, I forgot all about that phrase!

I understand the whole hiarchy thing, as an electrical technician I am at the bottom in my company. it seems that no matter what you do, the higher up you climb, the lazier you become, it's like the air becomes thinner...
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Hey, my other vehicle is a motorscooter. At least it gets 100MPG and can negotiate traffic in much the same way as a bicycle. Maybe he's a bike messenger with a heart problem and he can't ride anymore. I dunno. I did deliver pizzas on it for a short period of time, with a rack on the back. Fun stuff.

Scooters are great fun, and I'm proud to admit it. And besides, the bigger the cushion, the better the pushin', right?

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Old 07-27-05, 11:41 PM   #7
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Hey, my other vehicle is a motorscooter. And besides, the bigger the cushion, the better the pushin', right?

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Well now. Everybody now knows what powers your crank.
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Oh, I'm not picky about what powers my crank. Sometimes its things I'd rather my friends not know about, but mostly its just my own muscles that power my crank. You know, just a man and his crank, all alone, late at night. Gettin' sweaty. You know.

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oh man, I forgot all about that phrase!

I understand the whole hiarchy thing, as an electrical technician I am at the bottom in my company. it seems that no matter what you do, the higher up you climb, the lazier you become, it's like the air becomes thinner...
Electrical technician? IBEW/conduit bender, or event tech?
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Electronics tech is lower, trust me.
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I don't undderstand the shock. Scooter and motorcycle couriers are super common in the UK and some areas of Asia. A scooter gets good mileage, and is more effective for longer hauls than a bike. In cities that allow them on the sidewalk to park, they can be used almost like a bike. And now that the 125cc engines are making it into North America, you an get pretty good top speeds (55mph, no problem).
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Old 07-28-05, 10:26 AM   #13
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Wait, isn't a car messenger called a mailman?
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Scooters rock, it's all you see in asia.. some cars but not a lot. It'd be great if North American urban areas were the same when you consider there would be far more room on the road for everybody, especially if it were 1 person per scooter vs 1 person per car. Family of four on a scooter is a common sight in southeast asia, family of 5-6 if they got infants.

They're great fun on steep curvy hilly roads, it feels a little silly at first, like sitting on a moving chair, and even the best are a lil dicey up really steep hills with a passenger, both lean forward, lean back on the steep downhills.

I'd have one if I had a use for one here, but I don't so bike or transit I remain.
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Old 07-28-05, 11:48 AM   #15
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The real problem is most scooters in developing nations tend to be badly tuned 2-cycle machines with bad or non-existant mufflers. All this adds up to an unbelievably loud cacophany of buzzing plus out of control emissions. They may be very fuel efficient, but they're super polluting.

But you can get modern clean burning 2-cycle or go with a 4-cycle engine with a proper muffler. You'll sacrifice some power, but it'll be quieter and less polluting, a perfect urban getaround motor vehicle.
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Velosolex.....the best of both worlds......or worst?
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Wow! That's substantially ugly.

Your classic moped looks about a million times better.
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My scooter is an Aprilia, modern two cycle, its actually fuel injected, and can be equipped with a catalytic converter. Its 50cc, goes 55mph, gets a hair over 100MPG, carries two people, is as loud as a sewing maching, has a trunk and provisions for a rack and saddle bags, and meets the most stringent Euro emissions guidelines through 2010. Of course, in developing nations most are not this nice. But these scooters have been on the market for a few years, and the few biggest two stroke engine manufacturers, Piaggio and Minarelli/Yamaha are starting to make fuel injected versions. More power, less emissions, more efficiency. Whats not to love?

BZZZZ!!!! WHEE!!!

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Sorry man, rural Maine most of the year and I can't get main in NY (shady subletting reasons, you understand).
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Hey, my other vehicle is a motorscooter. At least it gets 100MPG and can negotiate traffic in much the same way as a bicycle. Maybe he's a bike messenger with a heart problem and he can't ride anymore. I dunno. I did deliver pizzas on it for a short period of time, with a rack on the back. Fun stuff.

Scooters are great fun, and I'm proud to admit it. And besides, the bigger the cushion, the better the pushin', right?

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actually, the phrase goes The bigger the cushion, the "sweeter" the pushin', or so i have read . . .
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My scooter is an Aprilia,
Aprilias are sweet.

My wife has a Honda Elite 80. Ugly and slow but reliable. The scooter, not my wife.
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Wow does that Velosolex bring back memories, we had one all in white, and thus actually even uglier, that some friends gave us. That thing could just barely haul one of us 60 or 70 lbs kids up the hills where we lived.
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Wait, isn't a car messenger called a mailman?
There are probably twice as many car/truck couriers than bikers in any major city.
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Electrical technician? IBEW/conduit bender, or event tech?
Audio/Video/Teleconfrencing fabrication and installation. not union, hence the reason I have to save up to buy a $100 wheel... Alot of our engineers and project managers are old event tech dudes.
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