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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

View Poll Results: which flavor?
italian (campy, cinelli, 3ttt, etc) 48 50.53%
japanese (dura-ace, sugino, nitto, NJS, etc) 47 49.47%
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Old 07-31-05, 04:55 PM   #1
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italian vs. japanese

i'm not usually one to start polls, but hey...i'm curious. which flavor of track bike do you like best?
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Old 07-31-05, 04:59 PM   #2
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I like them both, really. That said, one thing in favor of Japanese bikes is that they cannot have remotely as brittle paint as the Italian bikes do.
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yum.. all italian(cept the seatpost.. boo...) i actually like them both though.. i like when you dont mix your gear.. like wearing nikes with a puma shirt.. bad style.. the all NJS bike is always a winner

edit: i cant speak for all italian paint jobs.. but if you look at the paint wrong on this bike it chips..
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I like pizza.
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It's kinda like asking which of your two children you prefer. Not fair.
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i'm guilty of mixing...but i have good reason. i prefer japanese, but no way will i ever find a 62cm japanese track bike, so i have italian steel built by a canadian man and outfitted with japanese parts. shrug.
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Old 07-31-05, 05:20 PM   #8
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I like a Gershwin tune...
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that ciocc is hot!
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i'm guilty of mixing...but i have good reason. i prefer japanese, but no way will i ever find a 62cm japanese track bike, so i have italian steel built by a canadian man and outfitted with japanese parts. shrug.
Be careful with that sort of thing. I hear the italians like to drink, and I know you wouldn't want to support that.
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**** you, what makes you think you have the right to personally attack me outside that thread?
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**** you, what makes you think you have the right to personally attack me outside that thread?
Take it easy, pal. I'm just trying to help you vote with your dollars.
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WTF, over?
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whatever. i guess he must be a little liquored up.

on with the matter at hand.
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Honestly, I don't worry too much about my bikes' countries of origin. My main ride, the fixed mtb, was tigged up by a hard-drinkin' man in Chico, California. My old main ride was tigged by an anonymous welder guy/gal in Japan.

Out of the rest of the fleet, one was built in somerville, the rest were made by robots.
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one was built in somerville
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anything else but tasty fat chance in somerville? and did they ever make a one off track frame? i like fat chance.. especially old lime green style
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anything else but tasty fat chance in somerville? and did they ever make a one off track frame? i like fat chance.. especially old lime green style
Curses, it looks like I've been living a lie. I'd been told that my ti mtb frame was built by merlin, but it turns out it was built by sandvik. Well, looks like we'll have to substitute Kennewick, Washington for Somerville, Mass.

Sorry to disappoint.

(I did own a fat chance for several years, though. Sorry, it was black.)

Obligatory fixed gear content : Someone took the same frame I'm talking about and built it up into http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2005/apr/KwangPaik.htm
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Curses, it looks like I've been living a lie. I'd been told that my ti mtb frame was built by merlin, but it turns out it was built by sandvik. Well, looks like we'll have to substitute Kennewick, Washington for Somerville, Mass.

Sorry to disappoint.

(I did own a fat chance for several years, though. Sorry, it was black.)

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I didn't know that Sandvik made bikes but the tubing that merlin uses is made by them.

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I didn't know that Sandvik made bikes but the tubing that merlin uses is made by them.

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Ceya - I'm under the impression that Sandvik started up a sports division, which eventually spun off into Ti Sports. As far as I can tell, this DBR frame was welded by Sandvik's sports division before the spinoff.
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Ceya - I'm under the impression that Sandvik started up a sports division, which eventually spun off into Ti Sports. As far as I can tell, this DBR frame was welded by Sandvik's sports division before the spinoff.

They was one of the first to make Ti (good Ti ) for bikes.Sandvik made 3-2.5 Titanium

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...04/ai_18515553.

If that is true that is news to me and will check on that also tommorrow.

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They was one of the first to make Ti (good Ti ) for bikes.Sandvik made 3-2.5 Titanium

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...04/ai_18515553.

If that is true that is news to me and will check on that also tommorrow.

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I'd love any information you can track down. Google's not being as helpful as I'd like, but from what I'm seeing it looks like sandvik built the kona hei hei, kona score, cove hummer, and dbr team ti frames.

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/2...02/Story2.html has a bit of information on the sandvik/ti sports connection, and http://www.konaworld.com/TechArea/newtech4.html confirms that they were building ti frames in '99, at least.

Anything to confirm or deny this poor bike's lineage would be great.
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I have a crosscut saw by sandvik. It has an orange handle and is incredibly whippy.
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ceya.. not that i dont like having you here.. but didnt you say goodbye to us? were those tears for naught?
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ceya.. not that i dont like having you here.. but didnt you say goodbye to us? were those tears for naught?
Man, if you drive ceya away, I will personally think unkind things about you. I might even tell my cat. It's nice to have a resource like Ceya around this place.


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Hmm. No orange handle, and the bike doesn't feel especially whippy. Perhaps they used different techniques.
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