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    i'm helping my friends at vice with a booklet they're doing about fixed gear bikes. as a supplement, they are putting together some city bike maps a la superfuture.com--in their words "the idea is that you could print it, take it to Philly, and get to know the city a bit."--which will be published on pumaville.com.

    this seems to be a very open-ended project - meaning you can pretty much highlight any spot worth noting for your average vice reader. here are some possibilities:
    - fixed-friendly LBS's
    - good areas to ride
    - bad areas, places to avoid riding
    - spots to grab a cold one after a long day

    would anyone want to lend your guidance and insider info for this project? it'd be a labor of love, since there is no budget (i know i know, pls don't shoot the messenger)...
    i'm looking for experts to help map out the following cities:
    • chicago (have already tapped absntr!)
    • nyc (ceya? ch0mb0?)
    • philly
    • portland
    • sf
    • seattle

    i also suggested dc, mpls & boston, but dunno yet if they're gonna get covered.

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    I'd be down with helping on MPLS if you did end up including it...

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    I'd be willing to help a bit with SF.
    Question though, as far as bars and hangouts, do you want the trendy fixie hangout spots, or any place that might be good?

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    no Honolulu huh? Im so glad im moving
    Im Here.

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    I'll help with New Orleans.
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    i can chip in where needed.

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    With all due respect, why should people help out Vice (and especially Puma) for free?? You guys can flame me if you want, but they're a for-profit company. I'm sure they can use some of those LCD Soundsystem profits to "spread the love". I'd feel much better about something like this if it was an independent project or something sponsored by an organization like Transportation alternatives rather than a hip urban brand. (sorry turd, s'just the way I feel)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnLaCalle
    With all due respect, why should people help out Vice (and especially Puma) for free?? You guys can flame me if you want, but they're a for-profit company. I'm sure they can use some of those LCD Soundsystem profits to "spread the love". I'd feel much better about something like this if it was an independent project or something sponsored by an organization like Transportation alternatives rather than a hip urban brand. (sorry turd, s'just the way I feel)
    i fully respect & understand that.. and in fact, i'm kinda annoyed but i'm doing it as a personal favor. it's ok to not want to contribute.
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    nevermind Gavins (the editor) "im canadian but i love george bush and im all for the neocon agenda" rant during the elections... i never picked up a vice again after that one... vice and their stupid fixie guide can bite me! ha! that felt good

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    why does this have to be fixie specific? seems pretty lame.

    man, i hate vice... what a lump of ****

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    Quote Originally Posted by sloppy robot
    nevermind Gavins (the editor) "im canadian but i love george bush and im all for the neocon agenda" rant during the elections... i never picked up a vice again after that one... vice and their stupid fixie guide can bite me! ha! that felt good

    Hey SR have u read vice's guide to LA? They pretty much just made fun of the place and talked mad sh*t about LA. Some of it was funny but still pretty harsh. To sum up their 'guide' in one sentence, LA sucks a$$ and people in LA sucks @ss. Definately did not make my friend who had just moved to LA feel any better about her decision. I was laughing hard when she asked if the "guide" was right when they compared Silver Lake to Williamsburg.
    "Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastard. Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off."

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    Oh lord, not Vice. Please.

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    ha.. no i didnt see it.. but its hilarious that theyd diss l.a. right after their store in (*cough, cough) silverlake shut down.... its easy to hate a place that doesnt fall for your b.s. or really care...im over peope who make fun of los angeles... its way too easy.. i admit theres some really stupid stuff here... but i feel like it makes the good stuff better for someweird reason

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    speaking of which, do you know if it's worth seeing that King Tut exhibit? I'm going to be in LA for a week, starting next thursday. have you seen it or heard good things?

    PS - turd, didn't mean to turn this into a hating-on-Vice thread. i'm just so sick of profit mongers getting people to be their henchmen for free. this is especially true in the entertainment industry, where you get really smart, capable people with all sorts of degrees doing trained-monkey work for peanuts, OR doing hard, somewhat mentally taxing work for free. Not that I'm bitter or anything...

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    or maybe they did the old bandwagon-hopping-switcharoo and premptively, and unwittily at best, started dissing la because that sounds cooler than actually helping people with honest and informative answers... the vice mentality is weak all around, no doubt about it. its cutting edge to be nasty and all-knowing, it's cutting edge to be insincere and bratty, it's cutting edge to diss on the places you go and the people you know.

    valencia street sucks. tenderloin sucks. san francisco pretention sucks. white belts paired with mesh hats suck. silver lake is trendy. the brite spot is an overrated dripping bore. (oh, but the food is good.....) we all bond through negativity, it's sad.
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    yum.. brite spot... no i dont know about the tut exhibit.. but i totally want to go to the sergio leone exhibit at the western museum.. which is totally worth goinng to no matter what exhibit they have..id like to see some tut though..

    and turd i apologize too..didnt mean to turn this into slander.. im all for a good bike guide

    im with drac... im trying my best to leave my 20s behind and not be a negative know it all creep ... but its easier said then done

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    an oppourtunity to highlight a neighborhood business or even increase bike traffic in any area can only be a good thing.

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    Wow, I'm obviously not even cool enough to be uncool, the only magazine I read is Harpers. Never heard of Vice before today, I was just gonna mark up a map with my favorite spots in the hope that it would turn people on to some good places.

    Should have guessed though(not trying to shoot the messenger here, sorry Turd), the map I got to mark up for SF covers (I will tell you the corners of the map, starting with upper left) GG bridge/Fort Point, Aquatic Park, 13th/Van Ness, and Stow Lake. Very frustrating. There are a few good neighborhoods there, but come on, the Marina? Pacific Heights? No North Beach, FiDi, SoMa, or Mission?

    Hey Turd, when you get the maps back from people post them up on here as well. That way we can all benefit from this

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    honest open sincerity, free of the bitter taste of self-masturbatory know-it-all-ishness, coupled with a nice warm smile. it's totally hard to do.

    what's funny is eventually you realize that you are sitting in the place that you dislike, with people that are careless and impossible to shake from their negativity, talking poorly on everything and everyone and saying "god i hate this, god i hate that" while doing the things you rag on. it takes a lot to break away from that stuff. sure, a snide comment now and then is in order, it's fun to insult people and things and a witty one is totally priceless; but still: the more salt you shake on the haters the more salt you get in your mouth when you talk the trash, and no one likes choking on their words!

    if its the same tut exhibit that passed through san francisco, i say go!
    t.h.r.

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    financial: those neat above ground walkways that connect like spiderwebs all above embarcadero through those weird condominium communities and stuff. if you find the right gate, and are a capable fence hopper, a nice wam pool awaits. that should be in there!
    t.h.r.

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    I think it's a bit hard to really narrow or pigeon hole places that are cool to go to. Especially in big cities like NY or SF. People like different things and sure we all like fixies but that doesn't mean we'll like the same places. I think the idea is nice, but very hard to execute. it'd be a big map with a lot of red all over it.
    "Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastard. Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off."

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    Quote Originally Posted by wangster
    I think it's a bit hard to really narrow or pigeon hole places that are cool to go to. Especially in big cities like NY or SF. People like different things and sure we all like fixies but that doesn't mean we'll like the same places. I think the idea is nice, but very hard to execute. it'd be a big map with a lot of red all over it.
    If we talk about it the way we see it, we are describing what our ride is like. I know i have certain rides that i appreciate on a practical level. Such as good pavement vs bad, heavy traffic, traffic signals or perhaps a confusing intersection or a even surprise out-of-nowhere 15% grade.

    We could classify the rides based on the amount of zig zaggin you will do or if it is light free for 10miles on a specific route. Scenic route vs fastest route, etc... These are things that local cyclists have a better understanding of because of their experience riding around and familiarizing themselves with what works. I would appreciate a good guide to a city that would provide a good cycling experience for someone from out of town.

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    No Problem, I will help and get feed back from of the guys. You send some to me turd.

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    back to other things...

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    good routes yes, I was talking about bars. Its still a good idea, I'm always interested in exploring bars and neighborhood, even if I don't like them, at least I'll know in the future.
    "Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastard. Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off."

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    There's no way Vice has any intention of making a useful guide -- that's not what they do. Any honest information is wasted.

    Quote Originally Posted by ostro
    an oppourtunity to highlight a neighborhood business or even increase bike traffic in any area can only be a good thing.
    Agreed -- but Vice is really interested in highlighting their highest paying ad accounts. Everything else is just filler.
    Last edited by williamw; 08-23-05 at 09:37 AM.

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