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Old 08-26-05, 06:33 PM   #1
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wtf happened at st marks place? a bunch of those stupid nyc scooters surrounding a blacked out suv; as soon as some kid in a white t-shirt hit their bunch he got dragged off his bike. next a bunch of bikes were over against the wall, feel like they went over in solidarity, and the ziptie cuffs were out.

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Old 08-26-05, 06:45 PM   #2
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police scooters? police SUV?






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Old 08-26-05, 07:06 PM   #3
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yea sorry if not clear. nypd scooters escorting a blacked out suv, looked like hercules cops
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Old 08-26-05, 07:17 PM   #4
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sounds like every critical mass these days.
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yep I was just riding by from St Marks place then out from behind the first group SUV and alot of scooters just started arresting people at 3rd ave. A second group turned up by cooper union and a SUV was in traffic which was a cop SUV went through the light to catch them..

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lots of arrests all over the place tonight.
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Hi guys. I do not live in a big city, so I do not understand posts like this.

Were the riders targeted for arrest behaving like protesters at the G8 in Seattle, or are the police 'making examples' like the peace sit in's during the nam war?
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Old 08-27-05, 06:25 AM   #8
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Were the riders targeted for arrest behaving like protesters at the G8 in Seattle, or are the police 'making examples' like the peace sit in's during the nam war?
It is now standard nyc police policy to go after people on bicycles during crit mass. Under directive from the mayoral office. Regardless of conduct by any rider.

Facism is quite chic now a days.
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That sucks. Bloomberg sounds like total scum. I never liked Newsom, myself, but he isn't having us arrested for riding bicycles. Sorta puts things in perspective. Some dude in Austin was talking about how the mass riders there get constantly ****ed with and how a month or so ago some dude just ran over a guy.
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Wtf is going on there? Didn't you guys have permission to use the street there or what? Anyway, handcuffing can't be legal in the case of petty offenses like riding beside each other instead of in a row etc. And your F-ing president rides a bike!

Honestly, I have no idea why anyone ever thought the US was the land of freedom.
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It is now standard nyc police policy to go after people on bicycles during crit mass. Under directive from the mayoral office. Regardless of conduct by any rider.

Facism is quite chic now a days.
so...just so i'm clear:
critical mass has a demo, police start arresting anyone on a bike regardless of association/proximity to the demo? or the start arresting people who appear to be associated with it?
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critical mass is a demo of sorts, enough riders en masse to create the critcal mass needed to claim the streets as our own. folks were getting arested who appeared to be involved with it
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It's been happening in Chicago lately too. Not on the scale of NYC but little random groups. I did CM last evening with a bunch of the local crew (and one from MPLS - HereNT!) and some of us bailed out after 45 minutes or so (CM is just too slow). Apparently towards the end of the ride, the police arrested a few random people.

CM is not worth getting arrested for, in my opinion. I love what they're trying to do and respect that but sometimes it gets out of hand.
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sad though because last night there were no more than about 50 riders it felt like. last year there were ten times that number.
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sad though because last night there were no more than about 50 riders it felt like. last year there were ten times that number.
Before the RNC, it was twenty times that, with no hassle.
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I love what they're trying to do and respect that but sometimes it gets out of hand.

I still haven't figured out what they are trying to do. When I lived downtown, CM rolled by my apartment like clockwork, and I was usually reminded of it by all the honking that I heard. What I generall saw was a mass of bikes- many of the stragglers would continue to roll the red lights. Some people would stop in the intersection to yell at and provoke motorists. Others would drift across the center line into oncoming traffic. It really wasn't about rights or reclaiming the streets, since there was so much lawless "civil disobedience" involved.

It ends up being like farting in church to suggest CM is anything less than perfect- but is the issue advocating for bicyclists -or- is it an excuse to do whatever they want under the banner of protesting pollution, traffic, etc...?
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Bill from Times Up claims 700 riders last night; I'd put the number at more like 450. The ride got split up early on, so the 50-person group you saw was probably just one fragment; from reports I've heard, there were as many as five separate groups riding last night.

If you personally witnessed arrests (EddieBrannan?), please write down what you remember to keep your memory clear and drop me a PM; I can put you in touch with the legal defense team. Witnesses are ALWAYS needed, especially now that the federal Department of Justice has opened an investigation into the NYPD's apparent policy of faking evidence / committing perjury in an effort to prove false charges (as has been proven in court repeatedly over the last year).
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Old 08-27-05, 09:53 AM   #18
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i was in the square from early on, so unless a far far earlier group had already left then it was nowhere near 700 people.

as far as what i saw, i was in the middle of the pack and we made a left off broadway onto astor. we rolled up onto the suv and the scooters (i didn't feel like they were there for CM riders, more like they were escorting somebody and the CM peloton rolled up on them - i could be wrong about that though). i didn't see the white t-shirt kid get pulled from his bike. my girl, who was riding right in front of me, did. what i saw was all of the scooters pulling over and lots of riders with bikes up against the wall on the southside of the street just east of Bowery. i saw cops moving towards them with ziptie cuffs.i didn't see anything else cause i was looking for my girl. she had pulled off the road on the north side of the street and was taking pictures, so i'll ask her to check her camera, but to be honest i don't know how much she got cause we got out of there pretty quick and headed down bowery. a cop suv came down fast behind us and almost sideswiped me cutting into traffic. we turned off onto essex i think and came back up allen and at that point i was like **** this. the cop suv was behind us all the way bipping his siren and i'd already bounced off his freakin hood.

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wow, that sounds crazy....nothing near close to that happens here, hell I dont even think Ive ever seen a CM.
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It's been happening in Chicago lately too. Not on the scale of NYC but little random groups. I did CM last evening with a bunch of the local crew (and one from MPLS - HereNT!) and some of us bailed out after 45 minutes or so (CM is just too slow). Apparently towards the end of the ride, the police arrested a few random people.

CM is not worth getting arrested for, in my opinion. I love what they're trying to do and respect that but sometimes it gets out of hand.

i was at the front when they started arresting.
there were nekkid drunk people, and we were riding on lakeshore drive. the nekkid people wouldnt have been a big deal if we had stayed away from lakeshore drive. that is a huge no-no in chicago. the police had to roadblock us, and everyone literally jumped the drive to the lakefront path!

generally, the police are cool though, and they ride with us sometimes and hold traffic up for us. daley is pretty cool about all that.
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I have been thinking about riding in a critical mass in DC. Does anyone know what the DC ride is like? Do people get their bikes taken much by the po. I have one bike (fixed Nishiki) and i can't afford to have it taken.
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last months dallas cm was pretty low....2. i never found the 'group', i would have made 3. There isnt much problem with the cops around here as far as cm goes
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haha do they even know about CM in dallas.
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haha do they even know about CM in dallas.
i guess not
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critical masses sound like they cause more trouble than good
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