robncircus

Hi
I recently scored a set of Mavic CXP 30 rims off Ebay. They are 28 hole clinchers front and rear. There are only a few hubs I could find that come with a 28 hole rear. Just looking for your opinions.
1. Dura Ace High Flange - I've been riding these for a few years now and never had any problems.
2. Suzue Pro Max Carbon Fiber - A new hub from Suzue that has a CF core. Pretty cool looking since you don't see them around much. Also, about $100 cheaper than the Dura Ace.
3. Zipp - Never see them on the street here in Boston. The most expensive of the 3.
Does anyone have experience either with Suzue or ZIPP? How's the quality considering these will be ridden on the street? I'd prefer somthing like a Phil Wood but they don't make a 28 hole rear
Thanks for your help
Rob

LóFarkas

^^^I think they do if you ask them to make a pair for you, but somebody here will know for sure. It's just drilling, after all. Worth a try if you have the cash.

Kev

Phil does not make a 28 hole? I have a pair with 24 holes laced to some velocity deep V rims. It might be a special order but I'm sure you could get them.

I just checked business cycles web site they can special order rear hub down to 24 hole.
https://www.businesscycles.com/thub-phil.htm


THe suzue promax CF do look nice I must admit

robncircus

Phil has a 28 hole front but no rear on their site. The Suzue's look pretty nice and they are cheaper than anything else. Money isn't a huge factor but money saved here can be used elsewhere. I'd like to hear from someone who has experience with Suzue Pro Max hubs (not the cartridge bearing ones - the open bearing ones).
Rob

OneTinSloth

i heard from whatshisface over at business cycles that for the money, there are better hubs out there than the zipps.

xthugmurderx

miche makes 28 hole rear hubs as well...and they've been talked about here already.

-jason

ImOnCrank

dude i have a 28 hole phil rear. it's not a high flange but it's still sweet as hell.

eat_raw

Rob

Had the NJS Promax (not the carbon)--laced to open pros--- on my training bike for about 1000 miles or so.

What can I say: they're smooth. Spin real nice. And they look good. No problems. They were hard ridden.

I never rode in the rain, however.

I eventually swapped them out. (Saving them for the track: made no sense to abuse them on the streets of NYC when I had a cheaper wheeset.)

Read the review on BusinessCycles; it's favorable.

robncircus

Thanks!
I think I'm gonna get the carbon fiber ones Maybe I'll find some carbon fiber cranks to match!
Rob

11.4

Phil definitely makes 28 spoke fronts, rears, and just about anything else (wheelchair, etc.). You can actually get Brent to make you anything from slotted 12 hole up to 48 hole, and I've seen all of them. Call Phil directly and talk to Brent if you have to, but John Dacey at Business Cycles, Marcus at Yojimbo's in Chicago, Travis at Freewheeling on Hayes in SF, or Roger at World Class Cycles can all help you out with great service.

As for the Suzue's, I've ridden both the silver and the carbon Suzue ProMax's. All things considered, they're pretty much the equivalent of a Dura Ace 7600 high flange as far as quality is concerned. the axles are identical, the track nuts are interchangeable and equally well made, the hub shell has the same quality threading, spoke hole drilling, etc. The carbon ones tend to show a little more dirt and can look a little scratched after cleaning dirt off them for a winter (the silver ones just get a little less gloss looking), but they are perfectly durable. You do want to dump the grease they come with (same for Dura Ace hubs as well, by the way) since it's lousy. Replace with Phil Grease or if you want really durable, use lithium grease made for boat trailer axles -- it has to get dipped all the time in salt water and is thick but very durable.

I did notice that the cog threading is a little deeper on the Suzue's than on Phil's. An EAI cog tends to overhang the lockring threading slightly on Phil's, but it sometimes needs a bottom bracket spacer between the cog and the lockring so the lockring actually contacts the cog. The Suzue's come without lockrings, by the way, so you have to buy a couple extra Dura Ace lockrings when you get the hubs.

dwylie75

i have a 28 hole suntour superbe rear hub if you are interested pm me.

d