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Old 09-04-05, 03:55 PM   #1
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Failure to Stop

As I approached the four way stop located in my housing development, I saw the police car stopped at the stopsign to my left.
He waited while I pedaled the 100 yards or so to the intersection, and remained stopped at the sign.
From the bike lane I rolled through the stop sign, making eye contact with him, and turned right, remaining the whole time in the bike lane.
The police car then accelerated through the intersection and stopped me.
The Deputy wrote me a $237 ticket for failure to stop.

I have never, ever, seen a bicyclist stop at a stop sign when turning right from bike lane to bike lane.
Slow down and make eye contact with everyone?
Yes.
Stop?
No.
I have done the same thing a half dozen times in the past, making eye contact with a cop while making a rolling right turn at a stopsign, bike lane to bike lane, with no consequences.

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Old 09-04-05, 04:09 PM   #2
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pathetic.
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Old 09-04-05, 04:15 PM   #3
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All those butt kickings you've administered to those poor females on 'your' hill are coming back to haunt you, Ken. It's Karma.

Seriously, I'd contest the ticket. And make sure you take a major fit while in front of the judge.

He'll reduce it 50%.

In NYC NOBODY (strictly) stops for SS.
Before they can target cyclists they'd have to cite motorists.
Waiting for that to happen.
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Old 09-04-05, 04:28 PM   #4
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Contest.

I just got one for running a stop sign downtown at 8:30a. Noone there, as usual. Thanks APD.
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Old 09-04-05, 04:59 PM   #5
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I would have given the cop fake info about myself.
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Old 09-04-05, 05:20 PM   #6
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My friend just got a ticket for running a red, but when he checked the actual wording of the ticket, it turned out that the cop had given him a car ticket instead of a bike ticket. It should make it easy for him to get out of, and it's worth checking on yours.
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Old 09-04-05, 05:49 PM   #7
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Lame. Contest it. I bet the cop wouldn't even show up for the court date. Biff, Stop giving us austin Cyclists a bad name. And get some brakes. Sheesh. {sarcastic**
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Old 09-04-05, 05:51 PM   #8
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I have noticed alot of cops cracking down here in SF. Just the other day i had a cop ride with me to make sure i stopped. He was parked at a stop sign, so i stopped, and i think he knew i only stopped because he was there. The street was 25mph, so he stayed with me. I felt as though he was making sure that i would stop at each stop sign.
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I would have went home and threw a tantrum. That's ridiculous. $237? I know a guy who was doing 130 in a 55 and even that was only a $150 ticket.
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There's no way that ticket will stand in court, especially at something outrageous like $237. How did he even arrive at that amount? WTF?
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I rolled through a stop sign in a car, and the ticket was only 70 bones...
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Old 09-04-05, 07:50 PM   #12
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My friend just got a ticket for running a red, but when he checked the actual wording of the ticket, it turned out that the cop had given him a car ticket instead of a bike ticket. It should make it easy for him to get out of, and it's worth checking on yours.
good luck cause those redlights in oakland are now $240, i had a friend try and get out of one a few months back, don't think she had much luck.....

and i can remember the first moving violation i ever was issued was in downtown oakland near lake merritt...rolling a stop sign... in 1982' on my mongoose bmx bike, it'd would seem like in oakland although they have better things to do, they'll stroke you a ticket every now...
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ken- i think i told you before that i grew up in bend...my dad raced road bikes for a long time. he got a ticket in bend for failure to stop because he didn't put his foot down at a red light (trackstanding). he took his bike to court, did a trackstand for the judge, and got out of the ticket. of course, this was about ten years ago. true story.
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Old 09-04-05, 07:58 PM   #14
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The judge will throw this out. You slowed down and displayed intent to stop, but used your judgement and slowly rolled through and made the right turn because it was safe to do so.
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Old 09-04-05, 08:02 PM   #15
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Did you explain that you were obeying the law of conservation of momentum?
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tell them your leg was broke and you were in a hurry to get to the hospital. When they ask how you were able to ride your bike, and why you didn't tell the police officer this, tell them that you were so dilusional from the pain that you forgot all about it.
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Trackstand in court for the win. Awesome story.
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You rolled for a hundred yards while he waited? That's not right. You thought he was stopped. He can't even say that you inconvenienced him. He was parked for all you knew.

If you have a clean record, ask to talk to the D.A. early on the court date. Explain that you were trying to save that community the cost of an accident by going through the intersection when no other traffic was around. D.A.s appreciate candor and sensible action and they especially appreciate someone who wants to make their day in court run smoothly and quickly. Asking to plead your case to the judge may work against you. Asking the D.A. for a second chance to show that you know how to follow the rules may get you a better result. An apology and a sincere act of contrition may be the ticket.
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This was in Berkeley, they've got nothing better to do.

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good luck cause those redlights in oakland are now $240, i had a friend try and get out of one a few months back, don't think she had much luck.....

and i can remember the first moving violation i ever was issued was in downtown oakland near lake merritt...rolling a stop sign... in 1982' on my mongoose bmx bike, it'd would seem like in oakland although they have better things to do, they'll stroke you a ticket every now...
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he took his bike to court, did a trackstand for the judge, and got out of the ticket.
forget impressing chick's, trackstanding can get you out of a ticket!
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Old 09-05-05, 03:00 PM   #22
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I'm just going to play devil's advocate here; it is the law that you are supposed to stop, right? If you did the same thing in a car you wouldn't expect them to throw the ticket out, why would they for a bike? (Sorry to be a jerk but I am really curious why everyone is of the opinion that laws that apply to both cars and bikes should be more leniently enforced against cyclists..)
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How interesting... today on my way back from a long ride, I was taking a left at a large intersection... I had the red light and nothing was going on, so i decided to execute the turn... As i start to roll out into the intersection, a car across the street starts honking his horn at me and doing some wild gesturing... I kindly flicked him that wonderful universal symbol... He was not very happy with this, and I thought I was about to be a victim of another road rage story... instead, he simply turned on his siren and pulled me over... !!

word to the wise, don't flick off cars when they are actually undercover police officers...

He screamed at me a lot, but ended up being a nice guy in the end and let me off the hook... since i was doing something "healthy", he told me to be on my way...
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I'm just going to play devil's advocate here; it is the law that you are supposed to stop, right? If you did the same thing in a car you wouldn't expect them to throw the ticket out, why would they for a bike? (Sorry to be a jerk but I am really curious why everyone is of the opinion that laws that apply to both cars and bikes should be more leniently enforced against cyclists..)
You're right. In Oregon, bicycles must stop at stop signs. I think if Ken goes to court, he could get dinged for not signalling, too. IIRC, failure to signal is another $150. Yay Oregon's high traffic fines.
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I always play nicey nicey when I see a cop. But that's awfully steep, damn.
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