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Old 09-09-05, 03:29 PM   #1
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How to become a messenger?

I was wondering how one finds a job as a bike messenger?

Also, how much do you guys make?
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Old 09-09-05, 03:39 PM   #2
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http://messengers.org/contacts/ is a good place to start looking

pay varies - search the forums for similar threads like this as it has been discussed before
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Old 09-09-05, 03:41 PM   #3
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http://messengers.org/contacts/ is a good place to start looking

pay varies - search the forums for similar threads like this as it has been discussed before
drop out of school,become an boozer,get a **** load of tatoos
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Old 09-09-05, 03:49 PM   #4
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pay has been discussed before, and from what i understand, you just can't do it just for the money, cause there's not much money involved
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Old 09-09-05, 04:24 PM   #5
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It's not for the money. Definitely. I'm just not qualified to do anything else!
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Old 09-09-05, 04:36 PM   #6
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1: Ask around until you find some companies willing to hire people with no experience.
2: Show up first thing in the morning on the next rainy day ready to work.
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open up a phonebook or Yahoo yellow pages or something. i'd suggest actually inquiring at the office than over the phone if you can. pick up a application and be friendly, and let them know you're familiar with the area(assuming you are, right?).
if you're in the San Francisco area, you should take my spot at Speedway. i've already put in my notice and looking for another company. good luck.
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Old 09-09-05, 06:12 PM   #8
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yeah i was going to suggest going to art school and buying an alpha mercury or a bianchi pista. if possible strip off the stickers and put on your favorite band stickers and your friends' graffiti stickers. if you havent done any alleycats put some ironic art between your spokes. now here's the real trick, drop out of art school and hang out on the wall where messengers sit and try fit in. make sure your parents don't know you have dropped out of school (this is important) because you will need the money they will send you for books for rent since you wont be making much money as a messenger.if someone else with a fixed gear rides by try hard to ignore them because then they will know that you are cool.
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Old 09-09-05, 07:00 PM   #9
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funny?
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i say NAY but i don't have a little red star.
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If I recall, you're in Chicago. Read this thread as it pertains more to that:
Mess in Chicago?

And another general, good one:
started messengering this week... some thoughts
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i thought it was funny. maybe it's a star thing.
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messengers aren't really all that bad, they are just a close-knit community who look out for each other. i admit that the whole "ignore other fixie/bike riders" thing is kinda stupid, but i guess the close-knitness of their community kinda sees other riders as "outsiders". messing isn't the easiest job, you basically have to be half crazy to do it, not that those of us who ride no brakes aren't, but carrying a super express oversize package through downtown at rush hour is something that would make most sane people terrified. by far, it was my most favorite job ever, but its definitely not a walk in the park.
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oh god, another "messengers and the rest of us" thread. it's a job, a very "cool" job, and some of them are dicks, but most of them are good folks. this is me summing up the next four pages in one post. i'm a forward thinker.
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the more of us there are, the less we each make.
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I'm going to start looking at people walking around with children with disdain everytime I see them. You know, being a camp counselor and all. The more of us there are the less money we make...wait...we can't legally make less money. Well...we're better than you anyway.
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You say to simply open the yellow pages or check messengers.org, yet some of us live in cities where there are not yet any bike messenger companies and those "hard core bikers" out there laugh at the idea. For many years I've wanted to do this, almost dropped out of high school to get a business degree and start a company. Where I live it would work great since the area is small enough to bike about yet large enough to have good business, but I don't know where to start unless I walk into a regular gas-guzzling two semi operating courier company and say "you don't have to pay me gas"...but somehow I don't think that would work...
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You say to simply open the yellow pages or check messengers.org, yet some of us live in cities where there are not yet any bike messenger companies and those "hard core bikers" out there laugh at the idea. For many years I've wanted to do this, almost dropped out of high school to get a business degree and start a company. Where I live it would work great since the area is small enough to bike about yet large enough to have good business, but I don't know where to start unless I walk into a regular gas-guzzling two semi operating courier company and say "you don't have to pay me gas"...but somehow I don't think that would work...

solution: move to a place where there ARE messenger companies, or start a company yourself if you think your local economy will support it. get yourself a pager, a cell phone, and make a card. take it around to legal offices, architects, whoever you think would benefit from the service you plan to provide. be prepared to counter the "but i have email...and a fax machine, what do i need you for?" with something intelligent and something that will make them have faith in you.
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I'm going to start looking at people walking around with children with disdain everytime I see them. You know, being a camp counselor and all. The more of us there are the less money we make...wait...we can't legally make less money. Well...we're better than you anyway.
I was merely responding to the o.p.'s question of how much messengers make. The answer varies widely, but in general the more messengers a city has, the less each one makes. (yup, I've got a degree in economics, who'da thunkit.) I'm certainly not 'in' with any messenger scene, but every time I hear someone talking about how cool it would be to try out messengering, I think that there's probably someone in their town that's been messengering for a long time who's going to find it even harder to pay the bills. I realize that not all folks entering the field have trust funds or money from family/lawsuits/old jobs, but enough do that they are willing to work for very little money and push the going rate down even further in a time when wages are already super low.

My request from folks wanting to enter the messenger business: find out what your competitors charge and charge more than them. Say it's because you're more professional, better dressed, safer riding, whatever (you're working for lawyers and designers who charge hundreds of dollars per hour, your cost is less than a rounding error for them.) That way if you take business away from other messengers, at least you'll push the local rate up a little.
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