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Old 09-18-05, 09:08 PM   #1
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wheel build

rock! Ok so I'm building up a wheelset for my college bike. I'm looking for some recommendations. Surly hub or Suzue basic? I've heard the basics suck, but I've also heard of people having no problems whatsoever with them. And I'm sort suspicious of Surly products for well... absolutely no reason at all. Low flange duraces and high flange campys are also available, but I feel that they may be a bit overpriced and attract theives. What sort of rims? I can get some velocities, suns, alex or mavic (or those are the ones I'm leaning towards), the suns and alexs are about $5 cheaper than the velocities per rim (i'm getting them at wholesale prices). Advice about rims other than "get deep V's, they rock" would be hella welcome. Also, spokes and nipples, suggestions? I was utterly perplexed by the vast variety of spokes and nipples available.
Thanks in advance, and sorry for not searching, as i'm sure that will pop up.
I'll be riding urban environments and possible snow (think cleveland but more farms) with the possibility of shipping them over to SF during the summer.
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Old 09-18-05, 09:18 PM   #2
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I have a Surly rear and Shimano (but not Dura-Ace) front laced to 32 hole Mavic Open Pros. I *really* like the combo so far. I also have the basic IRO wheelset (IRO hubs + Velocity Aeroheads) on my Jamie Roy, and those are just fine. Personally, if I had some more funds and my Steamroller hadn't come with the aforemention set, I'd grab Dura-Ace low flanges and Open Pros (or similar), as I like low flange/shallow rim stuff, and I don't need the aero of deep rims.

It all depends how much you want to spend, really. I mean, for $250, I'd say IRO's wheelset with Deep Vs isn't bad at all...it sounds like you could even buy Tony's hubs and get your own rims for cheaper. If you'd rather spend more, splurge on those Dura-Aces.

As for spokes, for durability, I'd suggest getting some decent double-butted ones (DT Swiss is the only brand I can think of off the top of my head). Brass nipples should be fine, unless you are even more obsessed about weight than I am, in which case, go aluminum. [Edit: I agree with the other posters on getting brass...I forgot to mention that brass is more durable, which is why I'd pick it for anything other than *EXTREME* weight weenieness - the kind where you should probably get your head checked.] Hope that helps some.

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Old 09-18-05, 09:22 PM   #3
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get iro hubs, and i like velocity aeroheads, or if you want something more deep-dish mavic cxp33's.

as for spokes, go double-butted. i use sapim's 'cause that's what my trusted lbs recommends, but i don't think there's a huge difference between manufacturers unless you're jobst brandt.

get brass nipples; they'll last forever, and aluminum ones can do weird things as they get old.

bottom line; don't skimp on your wheels, they keep you tender flesh off the ground. saving of $5 or $10 means very little when you're scrubbing gravel out of your skin with a wire brush.
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Old 09-18-05, 09:24 PM   #4
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for a good box rim that can take abuse: MA3s or Open Pro CD. Never had a problem with either. I only have ever purchased one Deep V, and it is okay. I did swing a set on Phil hubs, but they were prebuilt. Most any aero rim is "so passe" with the hip fixed gear culture. That's alright...their days are numbered (by their parent's credit card expiration date).

For hubs: go Surly. I personally would take the Hi-flange campy, but that is b/c I am a ****ing hubsnob/jacka55. whatever, get over it people. But for bombing around in schitty weather, go Surly. I never had an issue with them VS. Chicago salt.

The high-flange VS. low-flange discussion: I have had this before, but not sure I ever shared it. The reason hi-flange hubs are going the way of the dodo for campy and shimano is b/c the strength of rims and spokes has increased over the years. The increase in distance between the flange and the rim is appropriate as the technology has evolved in the equipment used to connect the two, as well as the associated areas in contact with spokes.
This is according to two very reliable sources that I trust (one was a bowl of alpha-bits after I ate some really old rice and the other was a squirrel I shared a 40 with).

And if there is one thing dolface and I have in common, it is nipples: brass all the way. Ha...ha? Weird.
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my 2 cents: if you've got access to wholesale/prodeals, get the very best. I just built up some very nice da wheels for what most people spend on surlys. As far as spokes, use DT or Wheelsmith, and I second the brass nipple rec. Really not worth the 5 grams of weight savings to have a wheel that won't last nearly as long.
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Old 09-18-05, 09:51 PM   #6
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The hibs and spokes and such would also be at wholesale price just to through that out there, but I'm trying to not splurge on something not necessary as I do need money for books and falafels. Thanks everyone who replied. I was actually sort of leaning toward an aero rimset. I guess how does the iro stack up to suzue (17.50 for a rear) or the surly (25? a rear). Thanks, again. And Dolface, thanks for the cog exchange again, it's working beautifully.

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quality wise...
IRO >>>>> Suzue
IRO ~= Surly (IRO usually wins on price though)
The only complaints I've heard about Surly are about the tiny bearings that they use. And the odd cracked locknut. but I've cracked an IRO locknut too. and my rear IRO bearings are due for replacement too.

but if you can get surlies for $20, do it.

I'd stay away from Alex rims. I'm riding on 2 sets now and i'm not that impressed. I like my OP's better.
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For hubs: go Surly. I personally would take the Hi-flange campy, but that is b/c I am a ****ing hubsnob/jacka55. whatever, get over it people. But for bombing around in schitty weather, go Surly. I never had an issue with them VS. Chicago salt.

And if there is one thing dolface and I have in common, it is nipples: brass all the way. Ha...ha? Weird.
I'll definitely back you up anytime if you need help justifying hubsnobbery, brass nipples too. Are the Chi squirrels fat or skinny. Because right now, the ones in cambridge are PLUMP.
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if you are getting stuff at cost, go high end. i just built my SS 'cross wheelset using pauls components track hubs. very high flange, cutouts, very classy looking.
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surly hubs suck, mine has been nothing but problems for me, ive replace the bearings twice, in under that many years, and now my hub is just completely fudged, unless i wanna spend more to replace parts that i know will break. get iros if you wanna good cheap hub, and upgrade the bearings. but next hubs i get are gonna be phils, unless chris king decides to make track hubs in the next month
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surly hubs suck, mine has been nothing but problems for me, ive replace the bearings twice, in under that many years, and now my hub is just completely fudged, unless i wanna spend more to replace parts that i know will break. get iros if you wanna good cheap hub, and upgrade the bearings. but next hubs i get are gonna be phils, unless chris king decides to make track hubs in the next month

Surly's have cartridge bearings... maybe the failure had something to do with the bearings you were using? Regardless this shouldn't mess up the hub. I hope you know what you're doing.

Chris King track hubs? Would they really be better than Phil's? Yeah they're super high-quality hubs but a lot of the appeal of Chris King is the instantaneous engagement (and the sound ). The front hubs from either manufacturer are comparably priced, I would imagine.
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IRO >>>>> Suzue
I'm assuming you are talking about the Suzue jr.s... The ProMax are about the best price/$ deal you can get.

...but if we're going wholesale, why not try out the Level hubs? Unstrippable, reportedly VERY smooth. Haute.

Brass nipples are where it's at.
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I'm assuming you are talking about the Suzue jr.s... The ProMax are about the best price/$ deal you can get.

...but if we're going wholesale, why not try out the Level hubs? Unstrippable, reportedly VERY smooth. Haute.

Brass nipples are where it's at.
well the OP was asking about the basics, so yes.

I love my ProMaxes
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I hate you all .... you know how to wheelbuild.
I keep trueing my stupid wheel all the time.
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