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Old 09-21-05, 02:08 PM   #1
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Kogswell Model G

After asking about the IRO Geometry, I have learned about Kogswell frames. There's not much info about them out there. (at least I haven't found much) From what I can tell they use a very long reach brake caliper, correct? How long are we talking here, will a Cannondale Coda brake caliper off of a R800 work if mounted without fenders? I really like the look of the lugged frame, the only problem is it will put me way over my budget. So Im trying to figure out what a complete bike will cost me. Anyone have links to components and wheelset options?

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Old 09-21-05, 02:26 PM   #2
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hes a member here. name is kogswell.... after looking i dont think you can buy as a complete bike. as for components if you are looking for budget stuff try irocycle.com for the wheelset and hmmmm

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Old 09-21-05, 03:00 PM   #3
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I have one and I love it.... It's a singlespeed right now, but I flip the rear wheel and run it as a Fixed pretty often...............
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Old 09-21-05, 03:01 PM   #4
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Oh, a "long reach" Tektro brake caliper worked fine for the rear. I used a carbon road fork, so a short reach caliper is mounted up there..................and the Kogswell decals are on top of the paint, so I just peeled them off, that's why there are no decals in the huge photo above...................
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i'm pretty sure Kogswell mentioned once that the frameset price includes a brake, and possibly even a hub.
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Old 09-21-05, 03:16 PM   #6
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I have one as well and love it. The framesets pop up on ebay often (Kogswell sells them there) and you get them for much less than the listed website price. You can run Tektro long reach calipers or you can pick up a pair of their calipers that are about 3-4mm longer.
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I bought one for my girlfriend which was as a result of a loosing bet. The frame is wonderful. It is the most comfortable & stable riding bike I have been on. Yes, you need very long reach brakes. I would suggest using the ones that Kogswell supplies. It cost me about $900 or a bit more to build the complete bike. I used IRO cranks, formula hubs with CXP 22 rims, Nitto bars & stem, WTB saddle, cheap Kalloy (but works very well) seatpost, Shimano brake levers (two). I would suggest the Kogswell as long as you don't need a high bottom bracket.
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Here's the build list for my KOGSWELL as shown in the photo displayed above in this thread: Dura-Ace FC7800 175mm 39-53 10spd crankset
Dura-Ace 7800 68mm English BB for FC-7800 Crankset,68mm,Hollowtech II
Salsa 42 tooth 130mm 5-bolt chainring, silver
SRAM PC-1 Chain, nickel 1/2" x 1/8"
Shimano BMX Freewheel, 16-tooth
Shimano Dura Ace 16-tooth Cog and Lockring
Problem Solvers single c/ring bolts, Black
Cane Creek SCR-5 aero brake levers Black
Jagwire Ripcord Brake Cable & Housing Kit Mtn/Rd
Tektro Brake Calipers
Thomson X2 31.8 70mm 80/100 deg Black 1-1/8" threadless, 70mm
Chris King Headset, Black 1-1/8
Profile Bar Wrap cork Black.
Campagnolo Seat Binder Bolt 8mm
Gigantex Carbon Fiber Fork
Gigantex Carbon Fiber Handlebar
Performance Forte Precision Carbon Fiber Seatpost
Massload Carbon Fiber Water Bottle Cage
Brooks Swift Saddle, Black
Nashbar Flip Flop Track Hubs
DT Swiss Spokes
Mavic MA3 Rims, 32 hole
Nashbar PVC Rim Strips
Nashbar Road Tubes
Vredstein Fortezza Tires700x23mm
Crank Brothers Eggbeaters Pedals
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Good looking bike. Mind if I ask what the final cost was?

Another question. I live in desert terrain so I really have no need for fenders. I read that the frames are powder coated. Anyone ever cutoff the fender brackets and use touch up paint on powder coat? How did it look?
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Good looking bike. Mind if I ask what the final cost was?

Another question. I live in desert terrain so I really have no need for fenders. I read that the frames are powder coated. Anyone ever cutoff the fender brackets and use touch up paint on powder coat? How did it look?
Hmmm. I did not keep track of the cost as I built it........
The frame was $430 and the crank was $400 and the fork and bars were about $200 each.
I guess the whole bike was about $1700---$2000. Just an estimate...

Regarding your fender bracket question; I would never do that. I think it would look awful. Just my opinion.
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Good looking bike. Mind if I ask what the final cost was?

Another question. I live in desert terrain so I really have no need for fenders. I read that the frames are powder coated. Anyone ever cutoff the fender brackets and use touch up paint on powder coat? How did it look?
There are no fender brackets.

The fender mounts are built into the chainstay and seatstay bridges.

Email me at info@kogswell.com.

You'll be glad you did.
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There are no fender brackets.

The fender mounts are built into the chainstay and seatstay bridges.

Email me at info@kogswell.com.

You'll be glad you did.
Matthew is exactly right. I thought BoisePedaler was referring to removing the rack fittings on the dropouts; as indicated by the red arrows in this photo:
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Old 09-22-05, 03:31 PM   #13
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hes a member here. name is kogswell.... after looking i dont think you can buy as a complete bike. as for components if you are looking for budget stuff try irocycle.com for the wheelset and hmmmm
We don't sell complete bikes. Or wheels for that matter. In thirty years of riding fixed, I've never purchased a complete bicycle. I'm very picky about how my bike is set up. And most (read all) Kogswell owners are too.

Funny thing: the people who run Bianchi, Specialized, Fuji and Raleigh don't ride stock bikes either.

We sell frames, forks, rear hubs, brake calipers, brake levers, headsets and Dura Ace lockrings and cogs.

Cable sets and freewheels too.

We aren't about low price. We're about quality. Ask an owner. Our low prices are just happenstance.

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damn straight. you get what you pay for. ...
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Matthew is exactly right. I thought BoisePedaler was referring to removing the rack fittings on the dropouts; as indicated by the red arrows in this photo:

Ah. My bad. Thanks, Ti!

Umm, grind and repaint.

Or get a rack and carry something.
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I have a 58 cm model G and have been very pleased with it. Its a bit small though and was thinking of selling it. I have a fixed/free surly rear and random front wheel. Shimano 600 cranks. Nitto technomic stem with moustache hbars. If you are interested, in the frame or in the whole package or some parts and not others let me know.

I probably paid about $800 total. I'd sell it for $600. Anything less than that and I'd have to think about it.
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How long does the caliper reach need to be? budgeting right now and was wondering if my old early 90's Campy Athenas will work, or will have to spend more $. Btw: there is not 56 G is there? (5'8")

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I bought the frame from Kogswell and received it a few days ago. It's an awesome looking frame, and I couldn't believe how light is was. I took it in to my LBS to have a Chris King headset installed and the guys in the shop were all checking it out and complimenting it. It's going to look great once I get it pieced together!

PCow Im 5'10" and went with the 54cm. I can't speak for it's fit just yet, but I ride a 54cm Cannondale geared bike and they measure the same.
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I have a 58 cm model G and have been very pleased with it. Its a bit small though and was thinking of selling it. I have a fixed/free surly rear and random front wheel. Shimano 600 cranks. Nitto technomic stem with moustache hbars. If you are interested, in the frame or in the whole package or some parts and not others let me know.

I probably paid about $800 total. I'd sell it for $600. Anything less than that and I'd have to think about it.
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How tall are you? I've looked at the frame but shake my head sadly at the 58cm biggest size. Don't they think tall guys ride fixed, too? :-)
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How tall are you? I've looked at the frame but shake my head sadly at the 58cm biggest size. Don't they think tall guys ride fixed, too? :-)
The 58 has a 20mm head lug extention and the steerer is cut 20mm long.

So, the headset locknut is as high as it would be on a normal 62.

And since the seat angle is more shallow than the head angle, as you move the seatpost up, the effective top tube length increases.

I'm 6'2" and I pefer to use as little frame as I can get away with. I hate big frames.

If you really want a big frame, we have a 61.6cm on the way.

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I am 6'3" I've got the bars and saddle pretty high (as Kogswell alluded to) which makes the fit a little better. I like the bike a lot, and have been commuting on it daily for the last month. It is not perfect for me though, and if someone were interested in buying it for near what I paid, I might do it. If I keep it I'll use and that would be OK too.
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