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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

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Old 10-14-05, 07:56 PM   #1
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Training on the fixed

is there to far a distance to ride a fixed? Or a certain amount of time to much on the knees?
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Old 10-14-05, 08:01 PM   #2
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the word is 'too'. and to answer your questions, no.
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Old 10-14-05, 08:48 PM   #3
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Well, I don't know... Details start getting sketchy once you get out past the audax mark.

Is it too far the moon, smart guy?
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Old 10-14-05, 08:57 PM   #4
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Well, I don't know... Details start getting sketchy once you get out past the audax mark.

Is it too far the moon, smart guy?

Is it too far to the moon, smart guy?
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Old 10-14-05, 08:58 PM   #5
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Well, I don't know... Details start getting sketchy once you get out past the audax mark.

Is it too far the moon, smart guy?
not if there's a road
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related question: I'm experiencing crotch numbness when riding the fixed nonstop for long distances. (4-5 hours). Is this a fixed thing...because I'm not coasting and lifting myself up off the saddle once in a while like I do on my geared bike, or is it just because I don't have my saddle dialed-in correctly.

I've been moving around the saddle on my fixed trying to solve the problem, but no joy yet. Then again, its not a great saddle so I should probably do something on that score. I've also been trying to pedal out of the saddle for stretches...christ, that works the legs though don't it.

It doesn't happen on my geared bike -- but my position on that one has been set for a while.

sorry if this is jacking the thread.
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No biggie to me (or is it "too" for you correcting ninnys). 4-5 hrs is more than i'm doing on the fixed. about 3,3 1/2, with a 48-17 in hilly areas. I'm asking cause some of the "I only ride a road bike" types are giving me a hard time about ridding it all the time. If its not bothering my knees them i'm not gonna worry about it this winter. I ride it cause its fun and different on the same old club rides.
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Is it too far to the moon, smart guy?
Aw dammit.

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I'm no expert but I don't think more time on the bike is bad for the knees etc as long as your gearing is appropriate to your terrain and level of fitness. I think a lot of climbing and descending or espescially braking with reverse pressure is what makes me sore - moreso than sheer miles.

My own theory why riding fixed makes you sore (or at least makes me sore) is because it involves so much plyometrics -- not sure if that's the word but that's what I remember. There was a school of training years ago that you built strength and explosive power when you had to contract the muscle while allowing it to lengthen (?). For example the kind of "reverse" muscle contraction in your quads when you land after jumping off a wall. Or when lowering a set of weights as opposed to pushing them up. So runners and swimmers did all sorts of plyometric exercises like bounding, jumping/landing, etc. That's the same kind of "contracting resistance" that we use when reverse pedalling, and I think that's what's turning my thighs and calves in monsters. Haha. That's my theory anyway.

Meanwhile its good fun. I just hope that I'm not making myself impotent with the crotch numbness thing, having read the "impotent cycling" thread a week or two ago. Jeez.
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roadies don't like us! they only ride fixies in the winter. someone even told me i was crazy a few weeks ago for riding it in fall.

i've done a few longer rides on my fixie and never have problems. first of all, i don't know if you are or not, but i rock the full spandex getup when i am doing long rides on my fixed. good clothes help me on longer rides regardless of what i am riding. second, you could try playing around with the position of your seat. adjust it forward/back a bit and see if that helps. i find adjusting myself on the saddle when something feels weird is a good way to battle this.
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Old 10-14-05, 10:30 PM   #11
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roadies don't like us! they only ride fixies in the winter. someone even told me i was crazy a few weeks ago for riding it in fall.
Some of us here are roadies too. And we/I like you.

I spend just as much time on my road bike as I do my fix. It makes no difference to me. There's no magic to riding a direct drive bike. A chorus of angel don't come down from the sky and sing. 1hr, 2hr, 3hr, 4hr, 5hr...whatever. Different tools for different training.

You want to do some strength training in the hills by pushing a 53x17/15 up a climb, then take your road bike, so you can coast and *fully* recover on the downhill.

You want to work on your cadence or do LSD take your track bike. 47x16 and you're made.

In either case, if you don't want your crotch to go numb, work on your position and for god's sake, get out of the saddle from time to time.

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There was a school of training years ago that you built strength and explosive power when you had to contract the muscle while allowing it to lengthen (?). For example the kind of "reverse" muscle contraction in your quads when you land after jumping off a wall. Or when lowering a set of weights as opposed to pushing them up. So runners and swimmers did all sorts of plyometric exercises like bounding, jumping/landing, etc.
Plyometrics are the key to the sprint training program of the top world elite track riders. Aussies, British, Dutch, etc. They all do it. Bilateral and unilateral jumps onto a stack of boxes.
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Some of us here are roadies too. And we/I like you.

I spend just as much time on my road bike as I do my fix. It makes no difference to me.

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it is bad to ride fixed, dont do it , get a hybrid please
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My 2c:

Riding fixed is harder for the distance because, no coasting! And you're using new muscles when you apply back pressure. Also, I just got my SS turned to fix and I find it points out errors in the riding position much more. Enough so that I've run out and gotten a shorter stem, for instance.

Yes it will tire you out more for the same distance. It takes time to build up the ability to ride fixed for miles and miles just like it takes time to ride a bike at all miles and miles.

Don't worry about it, learn and ride and smile :-)
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When I was road cycling racing years ago, I would use the fixed for recovery rides. I was riding a 49-18 which gave me a nice spin without really working hard (low heart rate). It helped immensely with leg recovery.

It really depends on what type of training you are looking for. If you want to work on your spin then go for something like 49-18 where you are spinning more. If you want to build strength and endurance then lower that rear cog and go with 49-15. If you are concerned about a workout, get a heart rate monitor. Base your workouts on zones that you want to reach. The time limit of your workout is dependent upon how long you ride in a certain zone. I am a firm believer in the Karvonen formula for determining heart rate zones.

http://www.bodytrends.com/articles/cardio/karvonen.htm

In regard to your question about your knees, if you have somewhere you can ride where you are not starting and stopping continuously I would imagine that would be best for your knees

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Old 10-15-05, 02:05 AM   #18
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In regard to your question about your knees, if you have somewhere you can ride where you are not starting and stopping continuously I would imagine that would be best for your knees
bingo! i can ride for days without knee issues but give me 20 mins in downtown and my knees are feeling it. i guess throwing a brake on would help that but i try to avoid logic?
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Thanks for all your input. I guess i'll keep riding the fixed.
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Ride until your legs get all jell-o-ey and you bonk hard and then turn around and ride all the way back home!
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Some of us here are roadies too. And we/I like you.

I spend just as much time on my road bike as I do my fix. It makes no difference to me. There's no magic to riding a direct drive bike. A chorus of angel don't come down from the sky and sing. 1hr, 2hr, 3hr, 4hr, 5hr...whatever. Different tools for different training.
sssshhhh..... i ride my road bike more than my fixie right now.

I have just had some people give me smug glances when I am riding my brakeless ride around on PCH and the such. Not that every single roadie is crazy but I hate it when I get bad glances because I am not rolling on an ultralight carbon blah blah blah frame. That's when you pass them, let them draft for a bit and drop them. The joy.

"Sorry kid, your killing me."

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Riding fixed for some reason seems eaiser to me than riding a geared bike. I think that's because gears confuse me and freewheels make me lazy.

Ride on! When you pass out, you've gone too far.
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knee problems in start and stop traffic is cured by standing, get out of the saddle to accelerate and slow down too if you want, it helps alot

I hear people all the time say, my gear is too big to climb hills, well if you climb standing which is where the power is it will fix that problem instead of sitting and grinding up a hill. Usual answer to that is, but I cant do that for more than a few seconds, ride more, and do it more, it gets better.
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is there to far a distance to ride a fixed?

check this archive: http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-71073

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How far are you going this weekend? This bike here is Phil Chadwick's Il Pompino. He mailed us:-

"The componentry is idiosyncratic: Campag Record Piste chainset, Goldtec track rear hub and fixed sprocket, Schmidt front dynohub running 2x3 watt halogens, plus Cateye LEDs front and back (2 on the back.) Full mudguards, 35 mm tyres, Brooks Professional leather saddle and a map holder !
This year I will have done over 10,000 km of Audaxing on the Il Pompino including 5 rides of 600 km. Off to Paris on Thursday for the Paris-Brest-Paris 1200k Audax. I will try to get a pic of the bike in action."
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Hmm... I don't ride my other bikes that much anymore. I just don't get the same input from them. My ss mtb which is running 47x16 doesn't have the snap my track bike does. Of course the heavy rhynolite wheel doesn't help too much, either, but that mtb's gotten my friend all ready for his foray into fixed gear bikes. If you're geared properly and know your limits in order to ward off injury, I don't see there being a limit in how far you can ride a fixed. Get a comfortable saddle and a bar that allows your hands to get into different positions and you should be all set.
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