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Old 10-18-05, 09:46 AM   #1
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...it EFFING SUCKS!

[warning, spoilers below]

ok, let's say i forget the fact that kevin bacon is uglier than sin and his girlfriend has a wedding cake of makeup on her, lets say i forget the fact that the messengers are never sweaty, or that the ones that ride geared bikes shift the WRONG way when they're trying to "speed" up.

let's say i forget that it borrows all the wrong movie archetypes and tropes from movies of car chases and chariots, where people try to outrun each other on the same track (unlke bikes, which can turn around in a small space, go the wrong way, etc) which leads to hilarious "chase" sequences where the biker can escape anytime, anyway.

let's say i forget the cheesy romantic scenes that have absolutely zero chemistry; that in one scene that dancer girl loves him and another she doesn't. let's say i forget the ridiculuousness of his biker friends and especially his mentally ******** friend who, like a puppy, walks around and asks kevin bacon for his advice on EVERYTHING -- how can he be simultaneously portrayed as "street smart" and still be such an ****ing moron?

no, what really pissed me off the most was that ultimately, this movie glorified CAR and BUSINESS culture. we're supposed to think that the movie is about forgetting money and living life on the edge; instead, when kevin really wants to get back on top, he doesn't just work harder, he gambles at a casino-like stock exchange, with his friend (the only man in the universe possibly uglier than him) in order to make extra money. then "he's got it back," and we cut to the scene where he "just got some job offers" and he's in a tie and his girlfriend is now searching for jobs and everyone is a happy normative american unit: back to dealing in money instead of actually enjoying the bike.

so ultimately it is a consumer movie in hiding; it is a movie that momentarily commodifies the bike culture only to say "it's still child's play, don't do it." **** quicksilver.

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Old 10-18-05, 09:58 AM   #2
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yeah, but, but, Voodoo had a whistle!
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i like the movie - you can't beat the freestyle jam
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...it EFFING SUCKS!

ok, let's say i forget the fact that kevin bacon is uglier than sin and his girlfriend has a wedding cake of makeup on her, lets say i forget the fact that the messengers are never sweaty, or that the ones that ride geared bikes shift the WRONG way when they're trying to "speed" up.

let's say i forget that it borrows all the wrong movie archetypes and tropes from movies of car chases and chariots, where people try to outrun each other on the same track (unlke bikes, which can turn around in a small space, go the wrong way, etc) which leads to hilarious "chase" sequences where the biker can escape anytime, anyway.

let's say i forget the cheesy romantic scenes that have absolutely zero chemistry; that in one scene that dancer girl loves him and another she doesn't. let's say i forget the ridiculuousness of his biker friends and especially his mentally ******** friend who, like a puppy, walks around and asks kevin bacon for his advice on EVERYTHING -- how can he be simultaneously portrayed as "street smart" and still be such an ****ing moron?

no, what really pissed me off the most was that ultimately, this movie glorified CAR and BUSINESS culture. we're supposed to think that the movie is about forgetting money and living life on the edge; instead, when kevin really wants to get back on top, he doesn't just work harder, he gambles at a casino-like stock exchange, with his friend (the only man in the universe possibly uglier than him) in order to make extra money. then "he's got it back," and we cut to the scene where he "just got some job offers" and he's in a tie and his girlfriend is now searching for jobs and everyone is a happy normative american unit: back to dealing in money instead of actually enjoying the bike.

so ultimately it is a consumer movie in hiding; it is a movie that momentarily commodifies the bike culture only to say "it's still child's play, don't do it." **** quicksilver.

It was the only movie about messengers, my boy Nelson Vails in it. I wasn't feeling it but anything was better than nothing.

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I'm still waiting on your in depth analysis of Foot Loose. I bet it will be a scorcher.
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HOW MANY WAS MESSENGERS WHEN THE MOVIE CAME OUT?

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this just in, kevin bacon movie criticized!

actually, i can't help it, i think he's the greatest thing since blues clues
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this just in, kevin bacon movie criticized!

actually, i can't help it, i think he's the greatest thing since blues clues

somebody posted about this before recently..so news flash is not a flash.

you watch blue's clues?

Crazy kids show

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if you think it's a troll to have a criticism of something, you're an idiot. i was posting my opinion and wanted to hear the same.
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I'm still waiting on your in depth analysis of Foot Loose. I bet it will be a scorcher.
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...it EFFING SUCKS!

ok, let's say i forget the fact that kevin bacon is uglier than sin and his girlfriend has a wedding cake of makeup on her, lets say i forget the fact that the messengers are never sweaty, or that the ones that ride geared bikes shift the WRONG way when they're trying to "speed" up.
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if you think it's a troll to have a criticism of something, you're an idiot. i was posting my opinion and wanted to hear the same.
this is a repeating topic that comes up every week or so, I just don't see a need to start a new thread, plenty of thread to choose from about 'QS'. and the fact that you were so negative about it just felt like trolling, whether you intended it or not. Nothing wrong with criticism, but wow you sure jump down people's throats pretty quickly.

btw... QS kicked ass... Kevin Bacon rules(but not the Bacon bros)... Voodoo rules... and the freestyle in the movie double ruled... Like ceya said, QS is better than nothing.
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eat a dick, quicksilver is cat's meow.
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You all are all wrong. The only one on the right track is CEYA!

Crap.

I saw Nelson Vails last year at the World Track Championships and when he was signing my messenger bag(he was a messenger after all!) I told him that his cameo in Quicksilver was the best athlete cameo in a hollywood movie EVER! You can't beat him! Kevin Bacon learned that the hard way.

Look at other athlete cameos..they all suck. Eddy Mercx in "American Flyers" is hilarious.

The best thing about Nelson is that when he signs autographs he always puts one of two things under his name:

Cycling Champ
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1984 Silver Medalist

Here is a picture of our hero:

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/ima...ho_N_Vails.gif

You all better recognize!

I think the movie is totally rad. I wish I had a loft with a hot girl that dances like Jane Fonda! The funny thing about the movie besides the ridiculousness of Bacon switching between fixed and single is that it is set in SF but it tries to portray itself as a NYC movie!

I still practice the "Kevin Bacon Dismount" you know where he jumps off and the bike keeps going between his legs.
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when kevin really wants to get back on top, he doesn't just work harder, he gambles at a casino-like stock exchange, with his friend (the only man in the universe possibly uglier than him) in order to make extra money. then "he's got it back," and we cut to the scene where he "just got some job offers" and he's in a tie and his girlfriend is now searching for jobs and everyone is a happy normative american unit: back to dealing in money instead of actually enjoying the bike.
thanks for the spoiler.

i haven't seen it yet.
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sorry about the spoiler thing, i'll try to edit the subject.
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wow , calm down ..breathe guys.

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thanks for the kind words. i remember him racing for Toga bikes for Lenny and riding on the streets. When track bikes ruled the messenger roads (NYC that is )and Washington Sq was our spot.


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and by the way, the tricks were great and i love to watch biking. my main point is that i had a problem with the portrayal of biking as a side-thing, to be escaped, not as a way of life.
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SR, thats an awsome photo... he kicks ass AND rides a 3rensho...I like Mr.Vails even more now.
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He was sponsored by 3 rensho for along time and even raced on the Japanese Keirin circut. he also raced for Levi/Raliegh team.

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heheh...shants said "eat a dick" and "the cat's meow" all in one post. that makes up for how hurting this thread is. breaking away rules ALL.
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WAIT till I get my photos from worlds on my computer. You will love 'em.

At Worlds it was hilarious because Nelson was a celebrity again. You could just see him thrilled to be out with bike geeks that actually KNEW who he was. Not a bunch of roadies that maybe have heard of his name....

I think we should hold a Nelson Vails memorial race at BFFGMG...I know he aint dead...but he was rockin' fixies way back...The sprint champion gets the nelson vails trophy....just an idea
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yeah he was one of us kids from NYC that made it in the cylcing world. put us messengers in good light.

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