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Old 10-21-05, 07:01 AM   #1
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woop, woop, pull over, that ass is too fast

good golly, who would ask such a question? me.

Anyone have experience with zipp track wheels, or a set of phils laced to zipp rims? Not that i have the monetary funds to do this, but I was thinking of doing triathalons on the fixed gear.
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I'm rolling on track with a Zipp Disc with a track axle rear (have the swap-able road axle too), and a front road hub with 18 spokes on a 404 rim - sapim bladed spokes. The rear end is freekin' great. It is light enough to spin up well, and cuts the air like a knife. The handling takes getting used to, due to the gyroscopic effect, but it's no big deal. The front wheel has really too few spokes for the track, and I'd much rather have a 404 track wheel for the front. I wouldn't hesitate to use their hubs, which as Don Walker says, are very nice. Note that Zipps 404 track rims are track specific, it's not just their 404 road rim, they use a special laminate for the track. On track, you've got to be able to attack the turns, so I'm really going to try and save up for the track specific front wheel - I don't need my front end flopping all over the place.

Interestingly, I use that front road wheel in technical crits and it feels perfectly fine. Plenty stiff, but on the track it doesn't quite cut it, although it is good, you can just tell that a few more spokes and a high-flange hub would make it right.
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Old 10-21-05, 08:03 AM   #3
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I think the Zipp hubs are as smooth as Phil..., just an observation...

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Zipp track hubs are BURLY, I handled a set at Triathlon Expo that Zipp had a booth at. The Rep. put a set out with all the other crap ... man those things were nice.
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Gimme a couple of weeks when the bike arrives and I'll let you know. Will be PW SLR hf laced to Zipp 415rims using Sapim cx-rays. (32f/36r)
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Gimme a couple of weeks when the bike arrives and I'll let you know. Will be PW SLR hf laced to Zipp 415rims using Sapim cx-rays. (32f/36r)
May I ask where you are getting the rims (or wheels built)? This is similar to what I was considering. I really like my SLR hubs, and I'm guessing they are lighter than the Zipp track hubs, but thats just a guess. Sounds like I couldn't go wrong with either set of hubs.
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Old 10-21-05, 08:32 AM   #6
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are the 415 rims, clinchers?
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Yes. (They're the hoops from the 303 wheelset.)
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Old 10-21-05, 08:40 AM   #8
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Sacha at Vanilla built the wheels.
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Old 10-21-05, 08:57 AM   #9
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Chimay - I demand nothing less than 100 photos of this bike - it's been so long and so hyped (in a good way) that I must see photos, lots of them.
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LOL! I'll get the pics up as soon as I can. Expect some delays though. You know, having to wash my shorts after I get the call that's it's done and so on...

Btw, dig camera has a 1 gig memory stick. That should hold a enough photos (maybe).
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I know how you feel, kinda, I waited 5 months for my non-vanilla frame.

And by the way, that stuff stains, just forget the washing, throw them away, and take pictures first.
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Here you go: http://cgi.ebay.com/ZIPP-PHIL-WOOD-C...QQcmdZViewItem

Zipp 808 track wheelset with phil hubs.
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I spun the axle of a Zipp hub at Interbike and it felt like a perfectly worn in Phil even though it was brand new. That ***** is HOT!!!!

If you read the blurb on their website about their track hubs it says they're MATCHED to 10 MILLIONTHS of an inch. That means that not only do they know the size of the bearings down to 10 MILLIONTHS of an inch, they also take the time to sort them out and match them up.


If I thought I could safely ride 28 spokes on the street (I'm too heavy to be a weight-weenie) I would totally buy a set of those instead of the Phil. Unfortunately, I don't think I could trust 'em.
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I have a set of Zipp wheels.

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I spun the axle of a Zipp hub at Interbike and it felt like a perfectly worn in Phil even though it was brand new. That ***** is HOT!!!!

If you read the blurb on their website about their track hubs it says they're MATCHED to 10 MILLIONTHS of an inch. That means that not only do they know the size of the bearings down to 10 MILLIONTHS of an inch, they also take the time to sort them out and match them up.


If I thought I could safely ride 28 spokes on the street (I'm too heavy to be a weight-weenie) I would totally buy a set of those instead of the Phil. Unfortunately, I don't think I could trust 'em.
My friend say a Zipp wheel literally explode at some road race since the road they were racing on wasn't too well maintained. He said it was pretty insane just watching it disintegrate.

Those things just look fast looking at the picture.
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My friend say a Zipp wheel literally explode at some road race since the road they were racing on wasn't too well maintained. He said it was pretty insane just watching it disintegrate.

Those things just look fast looking at the picture.
I blew up my 404 rear at the Tour de Toona Crit. Evidently, I had cracked it a little at some point in the race, which had some crappy pavement at a brick crosswalk. Then, when I went to sprint on it at the end of the race, it went ka-boom. The rim caved. My chain then came off. One brake pad ripped out and the wheel was still hitting the other brake pad and the brake arm, but fortunately it still cleared the frame. I got the chain back on (but only in the small ring, it had gone over the outer ring). I still got 3rd. Zipp wheels don't just explode. And they are tough. BUT THEY ARE CARBON FIBER. And carbon doesn't bend, it breaks. So it cost me a win, but I had Zipp rebuild it with a cross rim, and I won a race on that a couple weeks later. They found me a 'blem' rim for 100 bucks and got a new build w/shipping for like 170, and I'm happy. You run trick, lightweight stuff, and you take your chances. But you save so much energy with those wheels that in the long run, in racing, I'll for sure come out ahead, even though I had the win in the bag up there at Toona. And I won a circuit race with a downhill jump and sprint about 100 meters and hold onto that speed 175-200 meters flat, slight uphill with the disc. Their wheels are superb, really just so incredible.
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I blew up my 404 rear at the Tour de Toona Crit. Evidently, I had cracked it a little at some point in the race, which had some crappy pavement at a brick crosswalk. Then, when I went to sprint on it at the end of the race, it went ka-boom. The rim caved. My chain then came off. One brake pad ripped out and the wheel was still hitting the other brake pad and the brake arm, but fortunately it still cleared the frame. I got the chain back on (but only in the small ring, it had gone over the outer ring). I still got 3rd. Zipp wheels don't just explode. And they are tough. BUT THEY ARE CARBON FIBER. And carbon doesn't bend, it breaks. So it cost me a win, but I had Zipp rebuild it with a cross rim, and I won a race on that a couple weeks later. They found me a 'blem' rim for 100 bucks and got a new build w/shipping for like 170, and I'm happy. You run trick, lightweight stuff, and you take your chances. But you save so much energy with those wheels that in the long run, in racing, I'll for sure come out ahead, even though I had the win in the bag up there at Toona. And I won a circuit race with a downhill jump and sprint about 100 meters and hold onto that speed 175-200 meters flat, slight uphill with the disc. Their wheels are superb, really just so incredible.
Thats my main fear. Breaking a carbon rim, that is, but I'm not real heavy and I was looking at their pave cross rims for durability and still lightweight.

Does anyone know if Zipp makes all their rims in clydesdale or pave cross editions? They're supposed to be 2x the impact resistance.
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good golly, who would ask such a question? me.

Anyone have experience with zipp track wheels, or a set of phils laced to zipp rims? Not that i have the monetary funds to do this, but I was thinking of doing triathalons on the fixed gear.
I think USAT requires a front and rear brake, so your bike may or may not pass inspection depending on who is doing it. I saw a guy ride one this summer and this spring the guy doing the pre-race checkup said (when I asked him) that he would pass a fixie for the race because he wanted to do it that way himself, but probably no one else would pass it.
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Does anyone know if Zipp makes all their rims in clydesdale or pave cross editions? They're supposed to be 2x the impact resistance.
Yes, I'm running their Pave Cross rim on the rear now. It is ~ 40 grams heavier, and is designed to have beefier impact areas for bumps and hits. Lots of crits have rough courses, so it makes more sense to build it up that way, especially for the rear. You're not really gonna notice the 40 grams and the wheel is still only 785 grams, with 24 oval spokes.

They also make clydesdale wheels, with more, heavier spokes and such. I weigh about 175-180. Also, I'm not the best sprinter in the world, but I'm pretty strong that way, more of what they call a stayer. As in I can get to the front and stay there in a finale.

You can check Zipp's website, www.zipp.com. They can make nearly bombproof wheels, you just have to get 'em built a little heavier if you're going to use them on the rough stuff. They're still lighter and stronger than anything out there, IMHO, except probably for Lightweight Wheels, which of course cost ~$5000/set and you have to wait a year...And Zipp stands behind its stuff, if you break it, they will rebuild it for a fair price.
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