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Old 10-21-05, 02:31 PM   #1
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Note attached to my bike

I found this note on my bike this afternoon:
Your bike is amazingly beautiful.

The lock doesn't seem to involve the frame. This is a high theft area.

No brakes?????!!

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Old 10-21-05, 02:37 PM   #2
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How was it locked up?
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Old 10-21-05, 02:41 PM   #3
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my lock doesn't touch my frame either. through the back wheel inside of the rear triangle. locks up the wheel and the bike at the same time. if the hood is sketchy i'll pull off the front wheel and put it between the bike and whatever i'm locking it to.
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Old 10-21-05, 02:50 PM   #4
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How was it locked up?
Wheel inside the rear triangle
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Old 10-21-05, 02:54 PM   #5
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Yeah, I do that all the time as well.
Nice someone thought enough of a stranger's bike to leave a note.
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Old 10-21-05, 03:05 PM   #6
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Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't it smarter to lock the front wheel and frame to the post rather than locking the rear triangle/rear wheel to the post? Granted, if you're removing the front wheel or locking that as well, that's better, but as for a single krypto lock-up, why would the rear triangle be wiser?

I'd think front wheel theft (if you locked rear triangle) would be more likely than frame damage inflicted by a leverage attack (if you locked front whee and frame).

... so if anyone can understand that mess of words, what's the deal? Am I not thinking about this correctly?
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Old 10-21-05, 03:11 PM   #7
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rear wheels are more valuable than fronts.
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Old 10-21-05, 03:17 PM   #8
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true. I guess I should imagine myself in a more theft-prone area.

And at the moment, my rear wheel is hard enought to get off, even with the bike in a stand and all the time in the world.
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Wheel inside the rear triangle
I assume the lock surrounds the wheel rim? If so they would have to cut through the rim to get the frame. Even if you have quick release, it's unlikely they could mangle the wheel enough to force the rim and hub up and out through the rear stays. Is your bike valuable enough that a thief would cut your rear rim to get it?
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Old 10-21-05, 03:48 PM   #10
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pic of your bike?
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Old 10-21-05, 03:55 PM   #11
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I thought the note was going to read like this...

"Dear bicykel ridr.

thanks 4 leeving yur bicke loked wit a cheep lok. I wil b abel 2 get sum crak 4 yur weel. yur the bess!

yur nayberhud junky"

I usually lock up with the u-lock going through my rear wheel and my seat tube and then around the post I'm locking up to. Add the front wheel to that depending on where I am.
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Old 10-21-05, 04:02 PM   #12
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Homealien, someone's knockin!

Adam: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html
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I don't understand why people only lock up the rear wheel? Someone with a 15mm wrench could take everything except the wheel! I always lock up my rear wheel and frame and then take off the front wheel and lock that too if there is space. And I'm usually not even in that much of a high theft area.
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I don't understand why people only lock up the rear wheel? Someone with a 15mm wrench could take everything except the wheel! I always lock up my rear wheel and frame and then take off the front wheel and lock that too if there is space. And I'm usually not even in that much of a high theft area.
If you lock only the rear wheel through the rear triangle then it is impossible to simple remove the rear wheel and take the rest.
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If you lock only the rear wheel through the rear triangle then it is impossible to simple remove the rear wheel and take the rest.

It took me a while to think about that... Now I get it. They could maybe still smash up the rear wheel, but I suppose now I'm just being paranoid.
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true. I guess I should imagine myself in a more theft-prone area.

And at the moment, my rear wheel is hard enought to get off, even with the bike in a stand and all the time in the world.
That's 'cause you're not a pro thief. If you took wheels off thirty times a day, as fast as possible, with maximum adrenaline, you'd get faster at it.
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Homealien, someone's knockin!

Adam: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html
You do know you just sent him to a website advocating that he use exactly the same locking strategy he's already using, right?
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but with the sheldon method if someone cut a hole in your rear rim and tire then a theif could make off with a bike that needs only a new rear rim and tire. Why not put the lock around the rear wheel and the seat/chain stays?
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Are people here really talking about locking ONLY the rear wheel or am I just confused?
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Are people here really talking about locking ONLY the rear wheel or am I just confused?
If you attach the lock to a bike rack or whatever, and to the wheel rim inside the rear triangle, you have secured the bike without touching the frame.
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If you attach the lock to a bike rack or whatever, and to the wheel rim inside the rear triangle, you have secured the bike without touching the frame.
Can someone get me a pic of this?
You're talking not wrapping around the seat stays?
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think about it...

you can't undo the bolt and pull the wheel back and out because the lock is inside the rear triangle (the lock will hit the inside of the dropouts if you pulled it back that far). and you can't remove the lock from the rear triangle because it's around the rim.

but yea, if you cut the rear wheel, free bike.
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think about it...

you can't undo the bolt and pull the wheel back and out because the lock is inside the rear triangle (the lock will hit the inside of the dropouts if you pulled it back that far). and you can't remove the lock from the rear triangle because it's around the rim.

but yea, if you cut the rear wheel, free bike.

Got it.
Seems like an unnecessary risk.
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Old 10-21-05, 07:03 PM   #24
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but with the sheldon method if someone cut a hole in your rear rim and tire then a theif could make off with a bike that needs only a new rear rim and tire. Why not put the lock around the rear wheel and the seat/chain stays?
Can you begin to imagine what would be involved with cutting a rim, a tire, and an inner tube? I've never heard of anyone even attempting that feat. Crooks are lazy, and don't like going to jail.

Crooks look at the bike rack, and ask themselves: "Let's see, spend the afternoon attempting to hack through a wheel and tire OR take that other bike that has a K-Mart U-lock that pops open in five seconds....what to do...what to do?"

But...put the lock around the frame. A moron decides to use his prybar to "pop" the lock. That technique works well on a five dollar lock, attached to a heavy weight frame. But, when a fifty dollar lock is attached to a $1,000 frame, Mr. Crook's prying efforts turn the frame into a pretzel.

If a crook is going to pretzel some part of my bike, I'd rather it be the rear wheel than the frame.
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Maybe I'm simply ignorant or killed too many brain cells in my younger days, but how do you lock a bike to a bike rack using the rear triangle method? I've tried turning it around and all it did was fall over onto some dudes over priced road bike.

And what do you do when some jerk locks their bike to yours and doesn't ask or say anything and you have no idea who they are? I almost kept it, but then thought how I would feel. I hate seeing roadies cry.
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