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View Poll Results: more risky/dangerous :: no helmet vs ipod
no helmet is more risky 44 22.68%
ipod is more risky 105 54.12%
equal 9 4.64%
indifferent 36 18.56%
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Old 12-08-05, 06:28 PM   #1
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Riding Without Helmet vs Listening to iPod

help resolve a friendly dispute between two people... what is a more hazerdous/risky activity: riding without a helmet or listening to your ipod/music thingy while riding fixed?
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Old 12-08-05, 06:32 PM   #2
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what about a helmet and an ipod/insert your favorite mp3 player here??
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Old 12-08-05, 06:32 PM   #3
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ALWAYS wear a helmet when listening to an ipod while riding. It helps keep the ear thingies in.
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Old 12-08-05, 06:34 PM   #4
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what about a helmet and an ipod/insert your favorite mp3 player here??
that's what i do, but i reason that they more or less cancel eachother out

poll is intended to be one or the other
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Old 12-08-05, 06:37 PM   #5
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Alone on the track no helmet will be riskier than riding with an I-pod.
On a busy street I'd rather rather wear no lid than having loud music in my ear.
It all depends on where you ride.
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Old 12-08-05, 06:41 PM   #6
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again i reiterate that i'm a noob, but i feel that if i didn't have a full audio and visual sense of what was going on around me while riding, i'd be in serious danger. as it has been stated before, not wearing a helmet heightens awareness, because you're not going to get as comfortable on your bike and get in that 'sleepy' mode. i think the ipod is an even easier way to get into this mode, i mean, when i listen to music i get engulfed. i'll want to rock out, and sing along (exposing all pedestrians to my obnoxious vocals), and it will take away from my paying attention to what's going on around me. what's worse, is that a lot of my awareness while riding involves what i'm hearing. i know i need to move if i hear a car coming up behind me, and will be able to stop if someone yells... also you know if your bike sounds funny (just like a car) and you might need to look at something. i'm always listening to my surroundings while riding. music can wait for the car(which i hardly ever drive anymore) and the computer.
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Old 12-08-05, 06:42 PM   #7
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Whereas you probably couldn't avoid a situation where your helmet came into action, you probably could avoid one where you couldn't hear a car horn/tire screech and respond in time because you were listening to musiack. Ears good.
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Old 12-08-05, 06:51 PM   #8
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Why is it safer to listen to music while driving a car than than it is while riding a bike? I say car drivers have a greater responsibility than bicyclists. Just like Uncle ben said: "with great power comes great responsibility" Pushing 2500 pounds of steel is a great responsibility. If listening to music is unsafe it should not be allowed in cars.
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Why is it safer to listen to music while driving a car than than it is while riding a bike? I say car drivers have a greater responsibility than bicyclists. Just like Uncle ben said: "with great power comes great responsibility" Pushing 2500 pounds of steel is a great responsibility. If listening to music is unsafe it should not be allowed in cars.
It is safer for the operator of the vehicle.

It might also depend on what kind of person you are.
Some people rely on their hearing more than others.
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Old 12-08-05, 07:03 PM   #10
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i dont ride with my ipod most of the time but for me it wouldn't really be that different...see i live down here in the flatlands of illinois and most times i can barely hear myself thinking over the wind noise.. or now since it is winter i have a hat and sometimes a bandana on as well to keep my face and ears warm...the combination of the wind and the ear covers makes it essentially like i had my ear buds in anyways... although i would agree that it is probably safer to ride with a helmet and no sort of headphones
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Old 12-08-05, 07:05 PM   #11
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why would you want to listen to music when the city sounds so nice? plus, the only music i want to hear while riding my bike is rap music, bad rap that is on the radio. and, really, if you time it right, you can probably just ride next to cars with rolled down windows all bumping the same tune (either 50cent, laffy taffy, three 6 mafia, etc). i dont know how it is in non-sanfrancisco-land, but here its pretty easy to hear some jams while on the bike. all jokes aside though, i dont think the music in cars vs. music on a bike comparison is valid. it takes thought to drive a car, it takes thought and a body to ride a bike. what i mean is, you need amply working legs, arms, shoulders, hips, etc to manuever a bike. part of using these limbs well is being able to listen and see without obstruction so you know which way to propel yourself. if you are in a car, theres usually only one direction to go, theres not as many obstacles jumping out at you all the time, and you don't need to quickly backpedal or quickly steer into and out of things like a needle. in otherwords, you rely on your senses (sight and sound) a lot more when riding a bike. its a lame argument. let me ask you this, when you are rocking out to some song in your car, right, and you got the volume up nice and loud for some riffage and guitar solo parts, and you are totally feeling it and cruising along looking for parking, and you find a spot but you have to parallel park the car, what is the first thing you do? turn down the music... right? yeah. point.
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let me ask you this, when you are rocking out to some song in your car, right, and you got the volume up nice and loud for some riffage and guitar solo parts, and you are totally feeling it and cruising along looking for parking, and you find a spot but you have to parallel park the car, what is the first thing you do? turn down the music... right? yeah. point.
Nope, I don't beleive I have ever turned down the music to parallel park, but then as someone aptly pointed out above everyone is different. I need to pull the buds if I go into a store, because even with the music off I can't handle interpersonal interactions with buds in my ears. I don't often wear them on the bike either, but when I turn the volume down much lower than usual. I do want to hear my surroundings, but sometimes a rythm really enhances a ride, gets the heart beating, helps me find a cadence distracts me from the screaming in my legs as I climb a hill.

I don't really mean to argue that listening to music does not or cannot impair ones riding ability, but I stlll don't beleive it impairs a rider any more than a driver. That level of impairment perhaps differs from person to person.
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true. i just mean that like usually when people need to "concentrate" they turn down the volume. riding a bike usually takes more concentration then driving a car. obviously, this isn't a blanket statement that is universally true. there are plennn-ty of idiots in cars and on bikes.

interesting thing about the rhythm when riding a bike, i think i recall reading on here awhile back a snippet of an article that stated something about not wanting to keep a rhythm? like timing your pedalstrokes to a beat, or something? i could be mistaken. anyhow.

i didnt mean to argue. i think that it does impair a rider more than a driver, though, simply because a rider sort of relies on sounds and sights moreso than a driver does.

a helmet? now that's just a huge, useless nuisance.
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If I owned an ipod, I would listen to baltimore club, become hypnotized, and immediately hit a car.
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I ride with music playing, but never very loud. I always make sure that I can hear both the traffic noises and 50.
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On a busy street I'd rather rather wear no lid than having loud music in my ear.
You'd rather rather wear a not-helmet than have loud music in your ear? huhwhathuh?

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Depends on how loud and how distracted you get by music I guess.
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i just put in the right ear piece and leave the left open to traffic sounds. there have been studies done and basically shown hearing has little to do with traffic safety. deaf people ride bikes fine.
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you could argue of course that not wearing a helmet doesn't increase the odds of an accident while wearing an ipod does.
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You'd rather rather wear a not-helmet than have loud music in your ear? huhwhathuh?
Yes pretty much. You can drop one of the "rathers" if it helps. What I meant is:

Riding on a busy street, if I had to choose between not wearing a helmet or listening to loud music from an Ipod, I'd go with not wearing a helmet. This means I think that riding without a helmet is safer than riding with an Ipod playing loud music.
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Riding with headphones in scares the poop out of me. I have tried it and it's not for me. Given that I can't live without my sweet jamz, I have since switched to this:
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it's safer to drive a car while listening to music, because driving a car is not a full-body activity. you can sit back, relax, steer, and look around to see what's going on around outside you. engine noise in a car drowns out useful noise anyhow.
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there have been studies done and basically shown hearing has little to do with traffic safety.
i find this hard to believe
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Old 12-08-05, 10:44 PM   #24
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Gawd, why are we so brand-loyal over here?? Can't we say "headphones" or mp3-players? False-consciousness and commodity fetishism! come on people!
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I'd say riding without a helmet is much more dangerous than riding with music. That is if your not so stupid as to have both ear phones in cranked up as loud as they go... Same as riding with a poorly fit helmet without the chin strap done up is just as safe as no helmet at all. Completely shutting yourself off from your environment is just a bad idea. I ride with music yes, but like others have mentioned only in the left ear and at a volume where I can still hear my surroundings. Also in traffic, I'm rarely made aware of a car through hearing, and when I am it's always when the car's pretty damn close and if it were to be aiming right at me then by the time i look around it would have already run me over (and I don't ALWAYS ride with headphones so i'm aware of the difference in my awareness between the two). That all said, I'd say with headphones and safety its a matter of comfort and moderation in volume. With helmets it's a matter of physics. If you crash you are a lot better off wearing a helmet.
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