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Old 12-11-05, 09:35 PM   #1
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Threadless w/lugged frame... will it explode?

just wondering if anyone has a lugged track frame with a threadless stem. how bad does it clash? pics.
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woop woop, dats da sound of the (fashion) police
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I'd never want to be seen riding that getup. no way.
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fashion and aesthetics are not the same.
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just wondering if anyone has a lugged track frame with a threadless stem. how bad does it clash? pics.
We supply threaded and threadless forks for our frames.

Customers are split 50/50.

We've sold over 300 lugged frames w/ threadless forks.

Here's one:



I think they look fine.

And please keep in mind that you CAN use a quill stem w/ a threadless fork. You just need the right headset - a YST GeForce. And in a month or two we'll have our own model.
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Uh-OH! Ahhh ... man, it's been awhile since I've seen that bike. Warn me next time though, would you?

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utility and aesthetics are not the same.

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I ride it and don't have a problem with it. Maybe I don't understand the question?

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To me it has nothing to do with lugs, and everything to do with what style you are going for. If you're going for a vintage look, the threadless stem will stick out like a sore thumb, but lugged and "vintage" are not synonymous. There are lots of modern lugged frames,a nd they look fantastic.

As far as I'm concerned modern means whatever you want it to, but to get a vintage look, you can't use parts that look like they weren't invented for 30-60 years. Deep Vs, on a 30s style track bike make the whole bike a "modern bike" threadless stems do thae same thing. Nothing wrong with that. The vintage look can be a thing of beauty, and if that's your goal, then you know you can't run a threadless stem, but if vintage looks are not important, use what you like, and let the fashion police drive up the prices of NJS parts on ebay or whatever it is they do when they are not harrassing people for building their bikes how they like 'em

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Old 12-12-05, 10:33 AM   #13
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To me it has nothing to do with lugs, and everything to do with what style you are going for. If you're going for a vintage look, the threadless stem will stick out like a sore thumb, but lugged and "vintage" are not synonymous. There are lots of modern lugged frames,a nd they look fantastic.
i think you understand what im asking. im weighing my options and deciding on what frameset to buy. im leaning strongly towards a mercian super vigorelli. imo, mercian frames have and intrinsic vintage look to them--their paint and decal options definately point in that direction. this is where the conflict occurs. in order to afford the vigorelli frameset, i will have to sell my current track bike frameset. most of the parts that are transferable from my current bike push the modern look: chris king threadset, FSA chainring, thomson seatpost, DuraAce 7710 crankset, selle italia slr. in order to build the bike to my likes, ill have to not include the nice bits i already have. so im looking to find the right balance... i like my duraAce cranks too much...

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I've got a similar setup - lugged Bob Jackson with aheadset, bullhorns, deep black wheels, slr. I think it looks good and I can easily change bars, the bars and saddle are comfy and the wheels are tough as a tough thing.

You can see a (very incomplete) pic in post #2 here old men 1% london pictures (warning, explicit content) and here http://photobucket.com/albums/c350/j...ikeCircus2.jpg In both photos I am the tall guy with flat cap.

But if you want a quill why not just sell your ahead stem and buy a quill on ebay? Won't cost very much compared to the cost of the frame and you can do the same with other parts if you want a vintage look. I would choose the stem you really want and get the frame made to go with that - other people's opinions shouldn't be your guide and I doubt you will buy many custom frames.
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...and only in this forum are the two mutually exclusive.

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just wondering if anyone has a lugged track frame with a threadless stem. how bad does it clash? pics.
well, i had to switch over to a threadless set up and i think my bike looks fine. got no pics, but i found a pretty decent looking stem that gives me maybe 2 or 3 degrees of rise- i just flipped it upside down. i like it. all feels very stiff and sturdy, which is good when i lean out over the bars to skid.
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I don't see a problem unless:

*stem and headset are clashing colors
*stem is super-rise with lots o' spacers (This is a problem no matter what.)
*stem is extra chunky

If I ever have a custom frame built it will definitely be lugged with a threadless fork.
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thompson elite stem will never look ugly.
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I hope to get a Mercian Super Vigorelli in the near future, and I intend to get it threadless.
Mercian has already told me they can and will do it any way I want.

I like threadless because it lets me experiment with stems.
I change stems all the time, looking for that last little measure of perfection in fit.
I have tuned my Bianchi Pista as much as possible, given the dimensions of the frame.
In order to go the next step, the frame has to change dimensions a little.

Regardless of fashion or aesthetics, I trust lugs more than tig welding or fillet brazing.
Yes, purely emotional, but nonetheless real to me.

A Mercian Super Vigorelli with a threadless headset: perfection.
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Jonny Cycles offers lugged stems for threadless. a pretty penny for a pretty stem.
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...and only in this forum are the two mutually exclusive.

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oh goddamn that's a nice bike. what kind of stem is that, anyone know?
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lugged or tigged or whatever frame, i think it all comes down to the bar choice, for stem aesthetics.

risers, bullhorns (in all their many variations), threadless is cruicial.

flats and drops, in particularly track drops, the quill makes it.

for me atleast. a quality stem threaded or not is a stem is a stem is a stem is a stem, imho, so it really comes down to aesthetics.
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oh goddamn that's a nice bike. what kind of stem is that, anyone know?
as ink said.....thomson elite. (no p in thomson)
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oh goddamn that's a nice bike. what kind of stem is that, anyone know?
it's a thomson stem.

and that's missmercian's bike!

furthermore, i believe it used to be luggedwithlove's.
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these look pretty good on a "classic" bike with threadless set-up imo

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