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    Sapim spokes/nipples

    How are these for nipples? I am getting Deep V rims so are these good niples to get? or are there other better stronger ones. I am going for a strong wheel. long lasting. Thanks.
    Eric..... Schnayke for short.

    http://www.sapim.be/index.php?st=products&sub=nipples

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    Any Sapim, DT or Wheelsmith brass nipples are good enough, AFAIK. (Aluminium is lighter but les durable) What's that Polyax thing anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LóFarkas
    What's that Polyax thing anyway?
    Its right there in the drawing.

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    Looked at it again, and now I'm sure it's crap. Spokes don't break at the nipple (ok, 99% of the time they don't), so it's pointless. Spokes come with nipples anyway, so pick your spokes. If they are Sapim and come with these, I guess it can't hurt. I can't help feeling that the holes in the rim have a role in what angle the nipple is at, anyway.

    The self-locking thing could be nice, whatever it is.
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    Sapim CX-ray spokes are VERY bling. Some of the strongest/dopest spokes out there. The nipples are aluminum, but they don't require loctite, because they're self-locking. I don't see any reason, though, not to just use brass and not pay the extra cash. I guess if I was shelling out the dough for the spokes, I would get the nipples.

    Used on all ZIPP wheelsets. Good luck finding them, though.

    Oh, and if you do, they're like $2.25 a spoke. VERY HARD AND DESIRABLE NIPPLES.

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    Universal carries CX Rays. I'm probably going to build my wheels with Sapim Lasers though.

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    i built me 10-pitch wheels with lasers. they're pretty cool, and freakishly thin-looking

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    Quote Originally Posted by vomitron
    VERY HARD AND DESIRABLE NIPPLES.
    This has been the subject line on 25% of my incoming emails.
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    i used dt spokes and nipples on my deep vs. those things are built to last

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    You really have a bunch of different questions here.

    First of all, Deep V's don't require any special kind of nipple -- longer or otherwise.

    Next, alloy nipples have gotten a whole lot better, so they don't round off under your spoke wrench like they used to (but you sure better have your spoke bed lubricated with some oil or, even better a tiny dab of antiseize compound on a Q-tip), but they can have a galvanic reaction with alloy rims and end up seizing to them. With rims that have stainless spoke ferrules, that's no problem, but no such joy with Deep V's. So I'd suggest you go brass.

    As for the Polyax Sapim nipples, they have something like spokeprep already in them, and they also have a slightly more conical base. This works better than a DT nipple on some rims, worse on others. The idea isn't to avoid nipple fracturing, but to have the spoke exit the nipple in a relatively straight line by having the nipple seat at the proper angle. It's mostly marketing -- this has never been a big problem with other spokes.

    As for doing Sapim spokes anyway, they are definitely very nice spokes. Note that while superficially the nipples and spokes have a theading interchangeable with DT's, there are slight differences and some professional wheelbuilders have had recurring problems with stripping spoke threads out by mixing brands (DT nipples with Sapim spokes, etc., that kind of thing). So stick with one. DT's are widely available, well priced, and a superb product. There's no real reason to go hunt down Sapims unless your local shop happens to deal in them primarily. There's also Wheelsmith (same issue about mixing brands of spokes and nipples, by the way), who make a perfectly good spoke.

    Vomitron is right about the CX-Rays. They are strong, aero, and very very bling. You can get them from Richard at www.wheelbuilder.com. This is a great site and Richard does all kinds of custom stuff for the track community such as Powertap track conversions, custom stems for Look 496 track frames, and the like. He's a great guy and deserves your business. If I were building up some carbon track rims, I'd certainly look at CX-Rays, but for any routine fixie use, they're way overkill unless you find success attracting dates with especially bling wheels.

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    Got CXrays on the road bike and the fixed gear. Have yet to have one problem ever. Note: Sapim recommends some kind of spoke holder when tightening/truing. Can't remember the exact details, but because of what's in the nipples holding so tight, the spoke has to be held to turn the nipple, or some voodoo like that. Btw, Sapim can do varying lengths if needed. Mine took 2-3 months, but it was worth.

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    Spoke holder to ensure proper spoke torsion, probably.

    In English: To keep the spoke from twisting.

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    i just finished my first sapim cxray build this AM, and then rode it in to work. i used whatever short AL nipples wheelbuilder.com decided to send with the spokes, and they seem to work fine. i did have to pinch each spokes to get it to stop twisting, while adjusting its tension. it wasn't too bad though. in fact, seeing the twist made the wheel super easy to true up - no twist means no reseating when stress relieving the wheel. also, the cxrays seem to impart incredible lateral stiffness (compared to their vertical compliance), even starting from a low tension (400N). the build was for my roadie {dura ace fh, 32 3x black sapim cxray, black al nipples, black velocity deep-v**. i just need to take the rim stickers off, and i'll be very happy with it...

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    Thanks. This info will help alot. I don't think I am going to go all the way to the cxray But sapim spokes and nipples sound great.
    Eric... schnayke for short.

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    Ok, i used the search function to try to get answers to my spoke and nipple questions. This 2 year old thread popped up. So... Can somebody please help me.
    Quote Originally Posted by 11.4 View Post
    First of all, Deep V's don't require any special kind of nipple -- longer or otherwise.
    Is this true? Universal sell nipples that are 16mm for deepv. http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...9&category=776 What size nipples are needed for Deep Vs?
    Quote Originally Posted by 11.4 View Post
    Vomitron is right about the CX-Rays. They are strong, aero, and very very bling. You can get them from Richard at www.wheelbuilder.com. This is a great site and Richard does all kinds of custom stuff for the track community such as Powertap track conversions, custom stems for Look 496 track frames, and the like. He's a great guy and deserves your business. If I were building up some carbon track rims, I'd certainly look at CX-Rays, but for any routine fixie use, they're way overkill unless you find success attracting dates with especially bling wheels.
    Has anyone used CX-Rays with regular Phil hubs and Deep Vs? My wheelbuilder said there may be an issue because they are too wide (2.3mm) in the middle to thread through the rim. Is he correct? I really love those spokes and want to use them with my new Phil hubs. Also, my hubs are not sloted for bladed spokes - cxRays dont need slotted anyways right? Can I use these spokes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sashae View Post
    Universal carries CX Rays. I'm probably going to build my wheels with Sapim Lasers though.
    Do you know the weight difference between these two spokes? Or compared to DT Revolutions?

    I am lacing my Zipp 303 with what I THOUGHT would be Dt Rev's but my LBS that is building the wheels is out of stock and I am wondering if I should pay some more $$ and move up the either ones of the choices from Sapim.

    TIA

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