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Old 03-03-06, 04:49 PM   #1
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Skiiids.

Yeah, I feel wicked stupid for asking this, but i was wondering if anyone riding a 48/17 ratio can skid without killing themselves. When I can manage to skid i usually have to jam my knee into my frame and feel like i am gonna die, granted i only do this when i feel like i am gonna die from trying to bomb a intersection and having second thoughts.

Either way, is it just that I need to have bigger legs or is it just difficult to skid with that ratio?
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Old 03-03-06, 04:51 PM   #2
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im 49x18 (~71-72 gear inches) and my roomate is 48x18 and have no problems skidding... Something tells me you're doing something wrong.
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Old 03-03-06, 04:51 PM   #3
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48x16 and no problems. My friend rides 49x15 and skids like a madman.
GF rides 44x14 and recently learned to skid.
Maybe it's just your technique?
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Old 03-03-06, 04:52 PM   #4
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im 49x18 (~71-72 gear inches) and my roomate is 48x18 and have no problems skidding... Something tells me you're doing something wrong.
me too.
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Old 03-03-06, 04:53 PM   #5
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Nuts to the stem!
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i've heard about this knee into the frame thing before and it sounds incredibly dumber
i ride a high gear and have very little trouble skidding
but i rarely need to do it or see the point except for when i want to look stylin'
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Old 03-03-06, 05:03 PM   #7
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I've gotten some really solid skids by accidentally hooking my heel underneath the left chainstay.

42/15 here, which is about the same as your ratio.
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Now are you talking skidding for disctance for for stopping quickly? I'm running that ratio and skidding and skipping are no probs. Still finding that comfort zone for long distance stuff.
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lean waaayyyy forward.

50x16 and can skid happily.

sometimes it's better, though, to be more like water and less like a brick wall with your riding technique/form. wasn't it proven in another thread that it is much better on the body, mind and heart to simply ride a bit more consciously, be aware of when you will need to stop before you neeeed to stop? ride smooth, dude.
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Now are you talking skidding for disctance for for stopping quickly? I'm running that ratio and skidding and skipping are no probs. Still finding that comfort zone for long distance stuff.
more for the quick stops, slight skids while turning and emergency stops sorta thing.
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I learned to skid on a higher ratio, its just technique. Go to an empty parking lot or something and really put your crotch far forward when you lock your legs. Then try doing it going faster. With more practice/stronger legs you will probably be able to do it without putting so much weight forward, which means the skids will have more stopping power.
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yeah, that is probably the best idea, i have a feeling there isn't enough weight being put forward yet.
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i learned to skid using 53:13, i dont use that gear anymore, but it makes it a lot easier to skid on other bikes.
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i learned to skid using 53:13, i dont use that gear anymore, but it makes it a lot easier to skid on other bikes.
holy crap.
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i hardly use skidding to actually stop. more for competitions. skipping is so much faster/easier IMO.
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Can someone tell me how people skid seated?
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I sorta post a little and then lock my legs. It ends up being more pulling up than stomping down. As I've learned recently, geometry of your bike does come into play.
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I could skip and skid withing a few days of going fixed, but I've never been able to lock the wheel seated.
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I sorta post a little and then lock my legs. It ends up being more pulling up than stomping down. As I've learned recently, geometry of your bike does come into play.
interesting about the geomtry, that makes sense... i agreed w/ 128 on the movement.
until i learned to skip, my effort exerted to skid was greater, as my brain/foot wanted to push down to to execute. after learning to skip, which is a pulling up action, skidding moved to a new level. much easier.
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are you running bull horns? I was having trouble when i started, but switched out my drops to bulls. No problems now.
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I pulled my first unconscious hockey skid (car was turning as I was trying to go straight) tonight. I was proud of myself. Shorter wheelbase makes it ALOT easier to skid. as does a smaller front chainring.
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geometry of your bike does come into play.
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Shorter wheelbase, getting the seatpost at a steeper angle (to get your ass farther away from the rear axel, it's all about weight distribution). It also helps to have long bullhorns, that way you can get more weight in front of the front axel (too much and you endo).
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46\15 no prob. But I'm clipless, so it' s really easy.
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are you running bull horns? I was having trouble when i started, but switched out my drops to bulls. No problems now.
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I'm running 48x17 with drops. It's all about the weight distribution and timing. Find the center of gravity of your bike by picking it up from the top tube until the wheels are level with one another. When you want to skid, throw all your weight beyond that point on the top tube by getting your ass past it and simultaneously lock up your legs when they are parallel to the ground. Find a smooth surface that offers low resistance until you get the feel for it. Try it on a downhill at low speed, and you'll unweight the back wheel more easily. Once you are clear on the front-to-back balance necessary to skid the back wheel, you'll start to get a feel for adding weight to the back wheel for quicker stops. That being said, I've got a brake, so what do I know.
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