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Old 03-16-06, 04:33 PM   #1
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spokes

Any recommendations?

Building my first wheel this weekend, got a good deal on a Sanshin NJS hub off ebay and an Araya Super Hard Anodized rim...
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Old 03-16-06, 04:39 PM   #2
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14/15 dt swiss revolutions.
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what does the 14/15 mean? it that gauge?
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Yup. 15 on the inside and 14 on the nipple and end.
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yeah, double butted. they're 14 gauge at the j and threaded nipple portion, and 15 gauge in the middle. a double butted spoke is acutually stronger because under stress the force directs in the thinner part which gives a little, rather than having it go to the j or nipple...
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cool, thanks. any specific reason why that gauge is preferable?
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what does the 14/15 mean? it that gauge?
yarp. butted. the ends are 14 gauge, the middle is 15.
i dunno if you'd want to build your first wheel ever wil Revs.

PS. revs are 14/17 or 15/17.
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Why not? Just curious.
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14/15 is thicker than say a 15/17, thus a bit more heavy duty and can take more abuse...
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spoke wind-up issues.

but yeah, you might want something a bit beefier for your first wheel build.
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double butted (14/15g)Sapim spokes from freewheel have done me well for some time now.

14/15 = guaging... thickness of spoke at head and body. double butted (14/15g) is 14 guage (thicker) at the hub and nipple end, and 15 guage (thinner) in the body of the spoke.
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anybody use straight guage. I'm building up a set right now and want to figure this out. Also anybody know where I can get spokes for less than the usual dollar a piece
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$1/spoke? for straight gauge? you're getting gouged.
that's the price of Revs

try icycles
https://secure17.nexternal.com/share...products%2Easp

SG will build a stiffer wheel than DB, but at the expense of decreased fatigue strength.
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yarp. butted. the ends are 14 gauge, the middle is 15.
i dunno if you'd want to build your first wheel ever wil Revs.

PS. revs are 14/17 or 15/17.
oh crap, you're right. i was thinking of competitions. i used them on my last wheel build... which was almost four years ago. hehehe
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Sapim CX Rays - light, strong and expensive
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Snazzy. They look like those Hoshi ones...
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$2 each.
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ogh. this is a 36h hub. 72 bucks? Thats more on spokes than the rim and hub combined!
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Old 03-16-06, 05:17 PM   #19
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anybody use straight guage. I'm building up a set right now and want to figure this out. Also anybody know where I can get spokes for less than the usual dollar a piece

I have used straight guage DT for a couple of city bike builds. I'd use butted for a track bike or fast road bike, though. And yeah, $1 a spoke is highway robbery.
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anybody use straight guage. I'm building up a set right now and want to figure this out. Also anybody know where I can get spokes for less than the usual dollar a piece
All the wheels I've built are 14g non-butted. They're all still in service.
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All the wheels I've built are 14g non-butted. They're all still in service.
14g straight is the way to go for strong on the cheap. But if you're building sunshine hubs, might as well spring for the butts.
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double butted (14/15g)Sapim spokes from freewheel have done me well for some time now.
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14/15 sapim double butted. 20 for a wheel i think
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14/15 gives you the best of both worlds. You get strength at the j-hook and nipple, but a little spring(and lighter weight, an ounce or so per wheel) from the 15g mid section. I believe that wheels built with these spokes hold up better because the spoke can soak up some of the hit rather than transfering it all into the rim. One of the companies building downhill wheels noticed that their butted wheels had fewer failures than the straight guage wheels. So they would be good on potholes and railroad tracks as well.
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