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Old 03-18-06, 10:19 AM   #1
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warriors alley cat video

Yes I know the warriors alley cat video has been talked about in other threads. But I wanted to create a thread that is focussed precisely on goal - convincing the owner of the video release it to the biking community. I am under the impression that there is only one copy out there, and there are no intentions of reproducing it for mass distribution. And while the owner of the copy has every right to do with it what ever he or she pleases, I am hoping to build up enough support within the forums to convince the owner that he/ she made a great video that many, many people not just in New York, but out of state (maybe out of country) would like to see. I assume that there are many out there who would purchase this video if it were on the market. I mean how many hundreds were actually in the race and how many of those would want a copy. ANd how many not in the race (including myself) would like a copy. I believe the owner could stand to make quite a chunk of change, which could be donated to Times Up, the Emergency Bike Messenger Fund, or ****, you made a great video keep the money and pay your rent. Or better yet buy a bike!
Anyway for those of you interested please leave a post saying you would like to buy a copy and maybe if we can get enough people to post, the owner will start selling the video.
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Old 03-18-06, 11:06 AM   #2
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Why on earth would I buy some video I have never seen when I can get loads of alleycat videos (google Lucas Brunell) for free?
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Old 03-18-06, 11:07 AM   #3
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Why on earth would I buy some video I have never seen?

in order to see it would be my guess
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^^^lol that's crazy talk^^^
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There's a number of good reasons to sell alleycat videos.

First, the quality: If I can polish and edit a high-quality video that runs 30-45 minutes long (or more!), then put it on youtube, the file size gets compressed and the video quality I worked so hard on goes to crap! DVD's are friggin huge and can accomodate a far superior product.

Second, upping the bar: personally, I'm sick to death of boring, overly long helmet cam footage. If people get together and film races using a variety of different angles, spots, or lenses, and put it all together, you'll have something more interesting. The incentive to put in all this hard work (and maybe to buy a new camera or two) is that by selling it you'll recoup (sp?) yr costs. nothing wrong with a little DIY enterprising. ain't that what it's all about?

BTW that's what we do.
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Old 03-18-06, 11:38 AM   #6
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all i can say about that video is: ming must've been tired after all that.
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Old 03-18-06, 11:51 AM   #7
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Is there any such monster as a pass-through lense for HD? I can ride with the cam in a back pak and mount a lense on the bike...won;t mount cam on the bike though.
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Old 03-18-06, 11:59 AM   #8
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The Warriors video was head and shoulders above most any other attempts to make a fun doc/video of an alleycat, it helped that the alleycat in question was way larger and had a better twist than most.

I've seen it, maybe they want to keep it special for events and showings, pulling a Disney. You can't see a performance of Cats too often outside the Big Apple, maybe that's what it is. Just one o'them things you'd have to plan. Really good video, I paid attention through the whole thing and I can barely finish a
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Is there any such monster as a pass-through lense for HD? I can ride with the cam in a back pak and mount a lense on the bike...won;t mount cam on the bike though.
that's what I've been looking for, something where I can keep the camera in my bag, and just run a small wire up to a helmet or something. I'm not really sure what I'm searching/looking for. It's called a pass-through lens?
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I'm not sure if it's actually called that but I think it exists.... won;t be cheap though but I want some HD traffic cam runs..... I want to run a cam off the front hub nice and low ....will make for some awesome shots.
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in order to see it would be my guess
I deserved that.
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Old 03-18-06, 07:14 PM   #12
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Why on earth would I buy some video I have never seen when I can get loads of alleycat videos (google Lucas Brunell) for free?
Lucas' clips are really great, and it is very cool that he posts them online for free viewing. The warriors video is very different though. It has a lot more footage, some of it very entertaining, some of it very funny. The warriors race seems to be the larger and longest race yet, and the amount of footage is quite amazing. I can see your point, why would you invest money in something you can get for free. I guess you just have to see it to decide for yourself if it is worth paying for.
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I'd buy 2 copies.
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the guy who made that film (and "still we ride") is chris ryan. He's a really cool guy. i don't have his contact info, but he can probably be contacted through his band's site - teamspider - and i'm sure he could set you guys up with his vid.
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I saw this film and I'd definitly pay for a copy of it.
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Old 03-19-06, 02:07 AM   #16
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I saw this film and I'd definitly pay for a copy of it.
Same. Anyone who gets info, post it here.
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Why on earth would I buy some video I have never seen when I can get loads of alleycat videos (google Lucas Brunell) for free?
cause you don't want to help people who worked their ass off to get good video.
cause you're a curmudgeon who doesn't want to pay for quality products.

in a real long, complicated alleycat, you don't really get a feel for the race from seeing one persons viewpoint (lucas').

i'd pay for a copy. just like i'd pay for a kick ass copy of a stairmaster, or monster track video
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Second, upping the bar: personally, I'm sick to death of boring, overly long helmet cam footage. If people get together and film races using a variety of different angles, spots, or lenses, and put it all together, you'll have something more interesting.
Three words: Remote Controlled Helicopter. Imagine the footage!
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Remote Controlled Car. Imagine the footage!
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nope, the best helmet cam is a 520 line viosport unit. it does not matter if you line into an hd unit. the quality is still 480 lines. we bought one for making mash, have sick helmet cam footage, but will not use any of it because it looks like helmet cam footage. maybe in the dvd extras. I do love seeing lucas's videos because crazy stuff happens in front of him. our project is all 24p and looks great + c r a z y s h ! t happens every 10 frames! look for it in may BFFNYC luv, mash crew


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that's what I've been looking for, something where I can keep the camera in my bag, and just run a small wire up to a helmet or something. I'm not really sure what I'm searching/looking for. It's called a pass-through lens?
http://www.thebuzzelectronics.com/it...item_id=139796

Takes 4 AAA batteries and a SD card, completely self-contained. Put it on your helmet or top tube. I've seen some videos shot at the velodrome with a camera like this mounted on the TT - very cool (and relatively cheap).
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The closest thing I've been able to locate is the Sony HDR-FX1 Camcorder HD MiniDV, which accomodates a pass-through lens, and will fit in a hip-pouch or msgr bag. But like mikorp says, the pass through lens resolution is still the standard 480 lines. if yr just looking to splice helmet-cam footage in with HD footage, just use some aditing and effects trick to make it look intentional. You can run filters on anything to get it to look right, as long as you know what you're doing.
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ill buy it...but the shipping better not cost more that the movie.
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http://www.viosport.com/store/custom...e=ac3_overview


here is the 520 line cam we have, goes into a little 400$ sony cam in your bag. light weight, it's the cam a lot of reality tv shows use as broadcast quality.
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