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    Unpopular Opinion: NJS is completely irrelevant

    Unless you are a keirin racer. Please explain to me why this is important to anyone else. Yes I've seen how cool it looks, but why drop the cash when there is a huge assortment of less expensive parts that work and look just as good?

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    because its nice to have a bike with the parts it was designed for. Yea its overkill for most, but they are quality goods.

    fwiw my daily rider is almost 100% NJS free now. Im down to toe clips and chain.

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    because although i don't live in japan, i'm a woman, i'm overweight, and i'm slow, i may someday need it for racing keirin.

    yeah, right.

    in all seriousness... i have an njs bike because it fit me and, just as i'd build an italian frame with italian components, i wanted to build the japanese bike with use- and era- appropriate components. it's silly and stupid, i know, but so am i. oh, and it weighs a TON.

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    I think that opinion is more popular than you think. If it's not it should be. Anyway if it was really that important to be "authentic" you wouldn't see all those "NJS testicle protectors" out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ira in Chi
    Unless you are a keirin racer. Please explain to me why this is important to anyone else. Yes I've seen how cool it looks, but why drop the cash when there is a huge assortment of less expensive parts that work and look just as good?
    Because the less expensive parts don't cost as much!

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    Very high quality parts

    haute culture fashion overkill

    its still better than collecting beanie babies
    If you are not having any fun, it's all your fault

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    Or D&D figures.
    THREAD KILLER

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetwentyeight
    because its nice to have a bike with the parts it was designed for. Yea its overkill for most, but they are quality goods.

    fwiw my daily rider is almost 100% NJS free now. Im down to toe clips and chain.
    And a bike designed for NJS DA hubs just wouldn't be the same as a bike with non-njs DA hubs. The lack of stamp throws of the weight distribution and aerodynamics.

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    i mean, i'd die of shame if my flat-bar-sportin', mis-matched-wheel-rockin' IRO Mark V didn't have some NJS on it. hence the lockring.
    the hipster myth.

    i practice vagabondery.

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    mattface - Oh. I'm not that anal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetwentyeight
    because its nice to have a bike with the parts it was designed for. Yea its overkill for most, but they are quality goods.

    fwiw my daily rider is almost 100% NJS free now. Im down to toe clips and chain.
    There are other classic Japanese parts that work just as well. If you are going for a "look", fine, but I don't buy the "quality" argument at all.

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    edit: troll.
    Last edited by chicagoamdream; 04-11-06 at 03:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicagoamdream
    When someone shows me somewhere to buy Nitto bars/stems and Sugino cranks without the stamp, I'll be happy to buy them.
    I'm pretty sure these Nitto bars aren't NJS stamped :


    Same with the vast majority of their bars and stems.

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    for the same reason out-of-shape fifty-somethings drop megabucks on lightweight components that make their bikes a couple pounds lighter: because it's fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicagoamdream
    Who wouldn't want to use what the pros use?

    When someone shows me somewhere to buy Nitto bars/stems and Sugino cranks without the stamp, I'll be happy to buy them.
    Right, the pros

    Nitto makes all kinds of non-NJS stuff. Do you like the Sugino cranks because the are NJS or is it incidental?

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    (note: i myself would never do either, i have other habits that are just as irrational instead)

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    Fair enough. I guess I meant their track stuff.

    This thread reminds me of all those threads about the mythical art school students with their multi-thousand dollar track bikes who just wanted to look cool and talked **** to everyone who couldn't afford a really fancy bike. I don't think there's anyone on this forum who has ever told anyone to buy something just because it's NJS. Nobody operates like that in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetwentyeight
    mattface - Oh. I'm not that anal.
    maybe not, but some are. After all they DO charge a premium for the stamped ones, and somebody pays it.

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    I think the black suginos are non NJS.. I like how the silver ones look better and its not much of a price difference.

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    People who buy NJS parts are suckers.

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    mattface- true that. I'm building up a 3Rensho now and I've already blown the all NJS thing with some 32H suntour hubs. It'll be our little secret, k?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ira in Chi
    Nitto makes all kinds of non-NJS stuff. Do you like the Sugino cranks because the are NJS or is it incidental?
    I didn't buy them for that, but I don't mind that they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicagoamdream
    Fair enough. I guess I meant their track stuff.

    This thread reminds me of all those threads about the mythical art school students with their multi-thousand dollar track bikes who just wanted to look cool and talked **** to everyone who couldn't afford a really fancy bike. I don't think there's anyone on this forum who has ever told anyone to buy something just because it's NJS. Nobody operates like that in real life.
    Ah, but there are people on this forum,a nd outside of this forum who go to great lengths to build up Keirin frames all NJS. I guess it's kinda like a hobby. It keeps em busy, and keeps the economy spinning. To some degree they all must know that that stamp doesn't make their bike nay faster, lighter, or more durable. On some level they must know that the stamp is not relevant to the quality or ride of the bike. So I think even the NJS obsessed on some level know it's not "relevant". At least I like to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetwentyeight
    because its nice to have a bike with the parts it was designed for.
    Your track bike was designed to be ridden on the street?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonFixed
    Your track bike was designed to be ridden on the street?!

    OH SNAP

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