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    New Fixed-gear Frame Available

    http://www.adventurefind.com/fg/index.html

    Basically, Ernesto on the Singlespeed forums of mtbr.com is selling frames. It's got all the details you need at that link. 54cm, 56cm, and 58cm available. Black. 27.2 seatpost, 1 1/8" headtube, 120mm rear spacing, black powdercoat. Frame material is just listed as Cro-Mo (from the looks of it, double-butted). TIG welded. Unicrown straightblade fork with 45mm rake. Looks like a 75 degree ST and a 72 degree HT.

    $299 with free shipping and a tube of Fat Kid soy lube.
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    Looks good on paper.

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    Although I've probably seen hundreds of plain black powdercoated frames, I can't really imagine dropping money on something sans picture.

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    As always, props to people for getting things done; however, I am not feeling the unicrown straight blade fork.

    m.

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    Ernesto was soliciting opinions for what people wanted in a frame on OST's Yahoo page
    so Ill be interested to see what he comes up with. I think he said someone he met at
    the indy bike builders show helped him get it manufactured. The fat kid lube is a
    good substitute for K-Y if yer in a pinch

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    Does the world need another black no-name cromo "track" frame?

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    Does the world need another black no-name cromo "track" frame?

    How many black no-name cr-mo track frames are there?

    The ones I had made were at least gloss black

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_in_toronto
    Does the world need another black no-name cromo "track" frame?
    I don't see anything wrong with that.

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    [QUOTE=paul_in_toronto]Does the world need another black no-name cromo "track" frame?[QUOTE]


    who cares whether it is "needed." The more appropriate question is whether there is market demand for another such frame. If there is then this guy will do great. If not, it wont be on the market long.

    I don't see what all your attitude is about. Besides, the more firms making the same or equivilent products mean the price on black no-name cromo "track" frames will come down due to increased competition. {i paid attention to those supply and demand graphs in school**

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    All I know about Ernesto is he references his own nut-sack every single time he posts on the ss-mtbr forum. It's kind of amazing.

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    why such a limited frame size selection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kisha
    why such a limited frame size selection?
    probably to keep initial manufacturing costs down

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    [QUOTE=skanking biker][QUOTE=paul_in_toronto]Does the world need another black no-name cromo "track" frame?


    who cares whether it is "needed." The more appropriate question is whether there is market demand for another such frame. If there is then this guy will do great. If not, it wont be on the market long.

    I don't see what all your attitude is about. Besides, the more firms making the same or equivilent products mean the price on black no-name cromo "track" frames will come down due to increased competition. {i paid attention to those supply and demand graphs in school**

    I think it's a valid question.
    Why make something that already exists (pake, bareknuckle, IRO, mercier)
    From both a business and creative standpoint, I'd like to see something a little different - even if it is just color.
    I dunno, I don't think it's a dig against the builder at all.
    It's just something to think about.
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    too bad that fork doesn't have canti-bosses.
    "Fixed gear ain't all tight pants and hand claps."

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    Agreed, it may very well be that the market is flooded with these types of no-name black cro-mo track bikes. I'm just saying, a little competition doesn't hurt the price

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    Ernesto seems like a genuine guy who is really into
    what he does....To me its like the IRO / Velocity / Kogswell / Walker
    type thing....buying from somebody who is realy into what he does
    and co-mingles with the ppls he markets to might be someone you
    would want to buy from on principal more than a Mercier or something
    like that.
    I guess I better change my avatar

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    hahaha. i think it might be getting close to happening....i saw it on the horizon and now it might be happening. what im getting at is this....im waiting for some one to drop a track frame that goes for nothing is quality and comes a bunch of colors(think bareknuckle but waaaaaaaaaay cheaper). then the market will hopefully bust open.








    man what brand of crack am i smoking? i can dream though right?
    im a ****ing idiot. well, im happy to admit it.

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    I would buy pink and purple track frames
    like newspapers.....a few a week !!!

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    jack of one or two trades Aeroplane's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by kludge
    hahaha. i think it might be getting close to happening....i saw it on the horizon and now it might be happening. what im getting at is this.... im waiting for some one to drop a track frame that goes for nothing is quality and comes a bunch of colors
    If the folks at bikesdirect.com sold the frame-only of the Motobecane Messenger, Mercier Kilo TT, Windsor "The Hour", and the Fuji Track frames it would already be done. Between the 4 of them you've got blue, orange, black, and red. If you count older Fujis, you get even more colors.
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    [QUOTE=skanking biker][QUOTE=paul_in_toronto]Does the world need another black no-name cromo "track" frame?


    who cares whether it is "needed." The more appropriate question is whether there is market demand for another such frame. If there is then this guy will do great. If not, it wont be on the market long.

    I don't see what all your attitude is about. Besides, the more firms making the same or equivilent products mean the price on black no-name cromo "track" frames will come down due to increased competition. {i paid attention to those supply and demand graphs in school**
    Yes there is market demand, but there is also a LOT of competition with companies and products at similar price points with established reputations and distribution. With outsourced production the Taiwanese factories that crank these similar frames out for various manufacturers right next to each other are laughing all the way to the bank.

    The cost might come down with competition, but the guy shipping them out of his garage is probably going to take the brunt of having to lower prices because with small production runs (unlike the Treks of the world) he is not in a position to strongarm the plants (or the agent contracting the work) into giving him much of a break on what the frames are costing.

    Does this frame have features that distinguish it from the competition? Maybe, but the differences are probably pretty subtle and might not be apparent without riding the thing or seeing it in person (or... hell even in a picture on a web site).

    No matter how good this frame is, a few glowing reviews on this forum and FGG can't take the place of a marketing department. How many would-be noobs post here asking for opinions on the relative merits of Langsters, Pistas, Rush Hours, etc... ? These companies have the money and muscle to get these bikes in shops, advertise them, get them reviewed, etc... Also, the average noob wants a BIKE, not a frame which brings me to my next point.

    It is virtually impossible to put together a lower end complete bike from new parts for cheaper than you can buy a similar one off the shelf. Why do people build up frames?

    1. for fun/challenge
    2. to replace a frame that has been damaged, doesn't fit, etc...
    3. to get a better frame
    4. to create a bike that is not possible to buy off the shelf, with cost as a lesser concern

    How does a another powdercoated black no-name cromo "track" frame fit into this equation? I don't personally consider black a "fun" color. I know to some people it is, but there are plenty of other black frames out there that are probably of similar quality, features, and specs, so why this one? The same thing can be said regarding reason #2.

    As far as getting a better frame goes, the $300 price point is not "better" for everyone. This frame is undoubtedly better than a gaspipe conversion frame, but does the rider of said frame have a 120 spaced rear hub, the correct bb? a 27.2 seatpost? Most conversion riders consider the true cost and feasibility of upgrading frames before they drop money on a track-style frame, and many of them (me included) decide that it's better/cheaper/easier just to buy a bike and customize from there.

    Lastly, there's #4. Not many people who are looking to build up a Phil-hubbed blinged out masterpiece are going to look twice at this frame when a Nessuno/Bareknuckle will get them cool colors, track geometry, and name-brand tubing for a pretty reasonable price, and that's just one example. The other aspect of "not available in stores" is versatility. With a track-style frame there are fewer build possibilities. Unlike, say a Surly Cross Check (has horizontal dropouts, 132.5 spacing, lots of tire clearance, braze-ons for racks and fenders, and so on) there are fewer things you can do with a track-style frame. The Cross Check, while not perfect is unique at it's price point and I'm sure Surly sells a buttload of them. A track bike is a track bike. There just aren't that many different ways to build one up from a functional standpoint.

    I'm not saying any of this to discourage this particular entrepreneur. They have a lot more guts than I do, but guts doesn't sell bikes.

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    when will the market start acknowledging reasonably-priced track frames smaller than 49cm? With so many junior leagues popping up all over, you'de think someone would be on it by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kisha
    why such a limited frame size selection?
    Yeah - I agree. Nothing I could ride in that selection.

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    QUOTEDoes the world need another black no-name cromo "track" frame?quote

    UH THAT was taken out of the mouth of marquee moon. Not me

    You know what I designed and had built 50 of my own brand of fixed gear/singlespeed road frames.
    I sold them direct and cavern bought some, harriscyclery bought some.., SCOTT at fixedgearfever.com
    ended up getting a whole bike from me to test. The guys at cycle solutions even got one.
    I talked to some other shop in the states he turned his nose up at them..ha

    At the time I did this.. there was barely anything at that price point available..

    Now im looking to provide another one.. this time with a fork.. I can see the rules have changed.. Great I get to raise the bar..

    Im working on getting something at a great price

    But what price is that?

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    QUOTEDoes the world need another black no-name cromo "track" frame?quote

    UH THAT was taken out of the mouth of marquee moon. Not me

    You know what I designed and had built 50 of my own brand of fixed gear/singlespeed road frames.
    I sold them direct and cavern bought some, harriscyclery bought some.., SCOTT at fixedgearfever.com
    ended up getting a whole bike from me to test. The guys at cycle solutions even got one.
    I talked to some other shop in the states he turned his nose up at them..ha

    At the time I did this.. there was barely anything at that price point available..

    Now im looking to provide another one.. this time with a fork.. I can see the rules have changed.. Great I get to raise the bar..

    Im working on getting something at a great price

    But what price is that?

    y the way Kisha I have a frame smaller then 49cm.. but they didnt sell very well. Im happy to source and design what evr the heck the market shows a demand for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crust & crumb
    too bad that fork doesn't have canti-bosses.
    Seconded a million times.

    There's no shortage of generic 'streettrack' (man, who the hell came up with that term?!) frames on the market today. I'd like to see more pseudocross frames out there designed for 1-cog use.

    Honestly, I'd even prefer horizontal dropouts, but I don't care much about derailleur hangers.

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