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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

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Old 04-30-06, 06:25 PM   #1
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chain tugs.... hate 'em.

is it really that hard to center a wheel with correct tension?
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Old 04-30-06, 06:27 PM   #2
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It's not hard. They just make it easier.



They say NJS on them also. Bling.
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Old 04-30-06, 06:29 PM   #3
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It's not hard. They just make it easier.



They say NJS on them also. Bling.
i guess you just have to weigh the bling factor of NJS against the fact that they make your previously bling track-ends look like a bad art school installation
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Old 04-30-06, 06:32 PM   #4
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My UNO frame was 123 spaced so I should used them but I never did.
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they make it a little easier to center + tighten a wheel when you don't have the luxury or working in a repair stand.
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Old 04-30-06, 06:34 PM   #6
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My UNO frame was 123 spaced so I should used them but I never did.
can you explain that? i didnt know spacing had anything to do with it.
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Old 04-30-06, 06:36 PM   #7
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i'm thinking i'm going to need a pair for the surly since no matter how tight i wrench on it, the chain always, always ends up bouncy and slack. not good.
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can you explain that? i didnt know spacing had anything to do with it.

The axle washer on the MKS chain tugs are 1.5mm thick each.

1.5 + 1.5 = 3mm

Many Keirin frames have 123mm spacing.
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Old 04-30-06, 06:42 PM   #9
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The axle washer on the MKS chain tugs are 1.5mm thick each.

1.5 + 1.5 = 3mm

Many Keirin frames have 123mm spacing.
ah.. i have heard that before.. but you could also just use hub spacers, ya?
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i'm anti-tensioners. they're just clutter. i can tension my chain myself.
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Old 04-30-06, 06:45 PM   #11
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tensioning and centering are a lot more precise with tugs. they also prevent the axle from slipping, making readjustment less frequent.

it's also a bit faster than the side to side tightning and loosening method
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ah.. i have heard that before.. but you could also just use hub spacers, ya?
Uh, hub spacers?!

Dude, I don't ride a conversion! Haha!

But my point is that I never did use those silly MKS chain tugs. They'd never allow me to put the wheel all the way foward into the drops (know what I mean?). They subtracted from my fun. So on my UNO I just squeezed the extra 3mm together! Good times!
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PS - I do like the new MKS chain tugs more since you can used your finger, there's no need for a hex wrench. I also used to like those Surly ones too since they're simple.
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ah.. i have heard that before.. but you could also just use hub spacers, ya?

You could use bubblegum for all I care, but the point I was making is that some of the Keirin frames were spaced specifically for use of MKS chain tensioners.

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But my point is that I never did use those silly MKS chain tugs. They'd never allow me to put the wheel all the way foward into the drops (know what I mean?).
Why would you need your wheel all the way forward in the track ends?

MKS chain tensioners are useful. I never felt they hindered my ability to put my back wheel wherever I damn well pleased.

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i'm anti-tensioners. they're just clutter. i can tension my chain myself.
The MKS are nice and discrete. I can also tension my own chains, etc.

The best system is the Paul Components track ends. My LBS mechanic loves them. The second best is MKS.
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Old 04-30-06, 07:11 PM   #15
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i'm anti-tensioners. they're just clutter. i can tension my chain myself.
i agree.

my bell, and blinkin' light on my seatpost are two too many things complicating a simple track bike.
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Old 04-30-06, 07:18 PM   #16
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Oh no! Something functional! Hate! Hate!
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Old 04-30-06, 07:22 PM   #17
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Can I get them in anodized Gold?
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Old 04-30-06, 07:26 PM   #18
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Can I get them in anodized Gold?
To match your new Suzue hubs
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Old 04-30-06, 07:31 PM   #19
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****.
Anodized frame *****.
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i agree.

my bell, and blinkin' light on my seatpost are two too many things complicating a simple track bike.
pshh.. your seatpost is unnecessary, and so are your handlebars. what kind of chump can't ride no handed while standing on the pedals all day?
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chain tugs.... hate 'em.

is it really that hard to center a wheel with correct tension?
It's not "that hard" but it sure is nice to get dead-on precise chain tension and alignment effortlessly.
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Old 04-30-06, 07:35 PM   #22
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God, Hyper you are so ****ing lazy.
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I got an NJS stamp, now my rack and fenders are NJS. Bling.
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Oh yes, you *must* tighten your chain with a multi-step process that involves skill, time investment and practice. Otherwise, you're not true fixed-gear culture.
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certain wheels will slide forward no matter the amount of dry humping involved during nut tightening. the mavic ellipse is one good example. i have used mine on various frames, made of various materials and have been able to produce a droopy chain within a few minutes of riding on each. the super smooth locknut surface probably has something to do with it.
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