Learn_not2burn

Sorry 'bout all the new threads from me tonight everybody...

I'm going to start racing at the track in two weeks, but my only wheelset is a iro/deep-v front and a Phil/deep-v back. How good or bad are deep vs for the track?

Thanks

EDIT: I know this isn't the track forum, but it actually pretty much is...

hyperRevue

I don't see how they wouldn't be perfectly fine.

humancongereel

meh, they're more aero than some other wheels, less aero than some...a little heavier, but i don't think it's all that bad. just pedal hard, i'm sure it'll be a-okay. when i get on the track, it'll be deep-vs for me for a while.

Moximitre

I was under the impression they were designed for track use? correct me if I'm wrong, as I am essentially pulling that from my arse.

chuck_norris

they're far from designed specifically for track. The deep v profile is used on a range of wheel sizes by velocity. They're good for mtb cause they're tough. The same goes for rough street riding. The profile is "aero", but not elliptical-- the shape of most of the rims that were made specifically for racing without brakes. That said, they should work fine, especially for flying start races.

eyefloater

This feels like one of those, "What sort of clipless pedals should I switch to when I start track racing?" questions. Answer: don't switch, use whatever you already have for the first season. Practice on the track is more important right now for improving your performance (or getting a different wheelset). Good luck out there this season.

zip22

i have heard they aren't deep enough to provide any "aero" benefits at all.

humancongereel

i've heard this as well. in which case, aeroheads or some such (cxp33s, perhaps) would be just as good.

Moximitre

well, I'm picking up a set tomorrow under the impression that they are durable as all hell, which I HOPE is true, as my current 28 hole aerohead setup won't stay true

eyefloater

Well, Aeroheads are a completely different profile than CXP33s, but I think a deeper rim might be better based on stiffness alone. In the case of the Velocity rims, whether it would be a quantifiable benefit or not remains to be tested/seen.

brunning

no wheelset is going to make or break a track newb.

they'll be 100000% totally super duper fine.

ZappCatt

To be taken with a grain of salt..

According to ZIPP:
We have determined from both theoretical and real world design and study, that 38mm is essentially the minimum depth possible for an ‘aero’ profile.


I have seen another report where speed was called into the equation... on a track, the speeds are often much faster than road..so there is a better chance for aero effect..


Oh yeah, back to the original OP, yes they will be fine.

chuck_norris

+1

humancongereel

yeah, it was kind of random that i chose cxp33s.

as far as durability, moximitre, i have deep v's. other wheels i've had would be tacoed by now with some of the potholes, curbs, and wrecks i've been in. my deep v's have a little wobble, but you don't see it unless you're looking for it.

eyefloater

Exactly, they're decent rims for any number of reasons. Maybe they're not pure bred track rims, but it really doesn't matter at this stage of the game. The money he spent on them certainly wasn't wasted. Now he just needs to figure out the best combo of cogs/rings for season #1.

What's the call ... 15/16/17 48/49/50?

humancongereel

ask him about the gearing. i'd definitely step it up from my road gearing since i wouldn't be backpedaling nearly as much.

as eyefloater said, they're decent rims for many reasons, and track-specific nature isn't that important yet. they seem to be aero, but i do believe they aren't, now that it's been mentioned. also, if you're riding to the track, they're great on the street, so it's not as though you'd have wheels that would be great on the track, but get ****ed up on the street, or that would be great on the street but slow you down on the track (at least not in the first stages...later you can worry about carbon 4-spoke wheels).

operator

If they ain't 40mm+, no they ain't. The rim sure is stronger though.

12XU

Are you sure the spokes' tensions were equilibrated and the rims is round from the start, as well as the spokes being the correct length? Aeroheads aren't brittle or overly malleable rims, so unless you're hitting serious potholes and jumping off curbs, a well-built wheel should last quite awhile.

fixedpip

I use Deep Vs on the track (well a Deep V and an even deeper EAI turbo rim) without any real problems. They work great for training etc. See a lot of similar profile rims on down at Herne Hill (Mavic CXP-14s, Campy Shamals), they'll do you proud until you really get into racing.

If you've not done much track its really all about fitness, handling skills and response time. Doesn't matter too much what you ride if you don't have the stamina or speed.

ImOnCrank

Amen brother, amen.

Learn_not2burn

Concerning gearing, I used my FSA Vigorelli's on the street with 49X16. I just traded those and picked up DA cranks with a QBP engagement ring with 50 teeth. I still have the 16 tooth cog, but was going to pick up more soon. Anyone know what kind of quality those engagement chainrings are?