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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

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Old 05-04-06, 04:05 PM   #1
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Don't feed the Trolls (or shills)

This has been bugging me ever since I first met Pistaboy. After today I feel moved to say something about it.

I hate trolling and shilling as much as anyone, but I think it is really obnoxious and counter productive to accuse people of trolling or shilling in the forum. Even if you're right, you're just giving them what they want by sparking controversy, and fanning the flames. If you're wrong you're alienating an innocent person. It's a lose lose proposition.

If you suspect someone is a troll or a shill, why not just PM a mod? Both activities are against forum rules, and grounds for bannination.
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Old 05-04-06, 04:08 PM   #2
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I have PMd a mod asked this thread to be moved to foo, then locked and deleted - just because they can.
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I have PMd a mod asked this thread to be moved to foo, then locked and deleted - just because they can.
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I'm pretty ****ing sick of the "What's the best off the peg fixed gear for $500 or less?" threads in general.USE THE ****ING SEARCH FEATURE, PEOPLE. If you don't and post something asinine, don't be surprised if you get flamed or accused of shilling.

Now that I've vented, I agree with you 100%, mattface. I will try not to be one of those people.
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Old 05-04-06, 04:56 PM   #7
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I'm pretty ****ing sick of the "What's the best off the peg fixed gear for $500 or less?" threads in general.USE THE ****ING SEARCH FEATURE, PEOPLE. If you don't and post something asinine, don't be surprised if you get flamed or accused of shilling.

Now that I've vented, I agree with you 100%, mattface. I will try not to be one of those people.
I've said this elsewhere, but I'm sick of people whining and moaning about using the search feature. I think nearly every everytopic has been discussed in a thousand threads over and over..that should be totally obvious to you. I think you just get off by *****ing. You don't have to open every thread...its your choice...but obviously there will be overlap in the subject matter of threads. If you could only start unique threads, there wouldn't be very many. If everyone just did searches, you'd basically kill the forum. Don't like it?...Don't click on it.

Edit: sorry to sound like a jackass, but I just think it should be obvious that the fun of the forums is discussing stuff with others, not doing searches.

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Old 05-04-06, 05:37 PM   #8
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I agree about the use the search thing. It CAN get annoying to see the same threads recreated over and over, and to watch them play out the same way over and over. Obviously I'm getting annoyed by some of them. Probably a sign I'm spending too much time here. but 7 people posting "use the search!" is all a part of the boring played out pattern, and it bumps boring threads, keeps them going, and often gives them a new life of their own that the OP never expected or intended.

If we never talked about the same thing twice we'd quickly run out of things to talk about, but some threads are doomed to play out the same way over and over into infinity. If it gets on your nerves the best thing you can do is to simply not participate. In the cases where a "use the search" comment is appropriate only one such comment is neccesary. As long as it's phrased politely no furter comment is needed.
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I just think it should be obvious that the fun of the forums is discussing stuff with others, not doing searches.
I agree, to a point. It's a better discussion when the people participating have some background on the topic, and it's especially important when someone is posting something like "Which under $500 off-the-peg fixed gear bike should I buy?". If the poster doesn't know anything about the bikes they're considering and doesn't say what they're looking for in a bike (materials, geometry, intended use, etc..) it's hard to have a discussion without dredging up something that has been posted before, and at a certain point (in my opinion anyway) it becomes rude to ask a bunch of strangers who are not earning commission on a sale to rehash information they have already written.

To bring this back to the original topic of this thread, it would be to a shill's advantage to be as vague as possible in making a post like the example above, since it will generate more posts, including the inevitable "use the ****ing search feature". It doesn't matter to a shill as long as it generates new posts that bump the thread and keep the product in view.
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The op is trolling. GG
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Its hard for a newbie to be in tune with the culture of a message board. I'm not surprised newbie's have the same questions.
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Old 05-04-06, 08:13 PM   #15
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I'm of the mindset, if you're not interested, don't click the thread.
The majority of the time the thread title is very informative so if anyone is getting annoyed by reading redundant threads, it's only their own fault.
I agree it can be annoying, but clicking the thread, reading it, getting annoyed and posting a *****y comment is a waste of time.
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Should this be stickied, or just revisited with a new thread on a quarterly basis?
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holy crap. if someone just took the initiative to write out a FAQ that answered basic questions I think there wouldn't be so many noobs asking "use the search fun'ct" questions.

I'm not to knowledgble about bikes but i could def help out with the FAQ.
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Old 05-04-06, 08:49 PM   #19
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I'm not a big fan of stickying everything under the sun, but I think s220det just volunteered to write a faq.

I'd be glad to contribute, but at the moment I only feel qualified to tell people "what not to do". So maybe I should write my own What not to do sticky.

What not to do by Mattface:
1. Don't be a dick
2.do as I say not as I do

OK that's done NEXT!
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holy crap. if someone just took the initiative to write out a FAQ that answered basic questions I think there wouldn't be so many noobs asking "use the search fun'ct" questions.

I'm not to knowledgble about bikes but i could def help out with the FAQ.
You do realize all the "use the search function" *****ing would JUST be replaced with "use the FAQ Sticky," right?
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The thing about the search engine is this. Suppose that someone uses it instead of posting "Any tips for my first fixed gear conversion?"

OK, fine. They get some information and are probably happy. But what they miss by not posting are MY inputs because I JUST DID my first fixed gear conversion, and probably have some insights that a VETERAN might be lacking. The only way that a person will be able to access MY tips, suggestions and advice is to POST A NEW THREAD because I haven't been around that long.

I click on any thread that looks interesting. And I respond to any interesting thread that I feel I have some creative input. I've done this on the road bike forum, and I do it here now.
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No need, everyone will be trained by then to use the Search function.
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holy crap. if someone just took the initiative to write out a FAQ that answered basic questions I think there wouldn't be so many noobs asking "use the search fun'ct" questions.

I'm not to knowledgble about bikes but i could def help out with the FAQ.
They did that in the Roadie Forum; doesn't work. Standard Answers to Standard Questions

Big FAQ here: http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/

I'll throw in two answers for at least a thousand questions:

1. Give Tony a call

2. Sheldon Brown has a webpage on that.
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The thing about the search engine is this. Suppose that someone uses it instead of posting "Any tips for my first fixed gear conversion?"

OK, fine. They get some information and are probably happy. But what they miss by not posting are MY inputs because I JUST DID my first fixed gear conversion, and probably have some insights that a VETERAN might be lacking. The only way that a person will be able to access MY tips, suggestions and advice is to POST A NEW THREAD because I haven't been around that long.
I agree. the search function is extremely useful, but people don't use forums as static databases. They are for real time discussion. The same topics will inevitably be rehashed wether people learn to search or not. There are certain topics that are bound to come up again and again. It's not the fact that they come up again and again, but the pissing and moaning about the fact that gets so annoying, especially since it serves to keep those repetitive threads going long after their usefulness has worn off. Using the search is useful. 17 people telling someone to use the search, and then having the whole thing devolve into some paranoid finger pointing frenzy is stupid. Some questions are quick and easy to answer, and once answered the thread could die in peace. It's lived a full life. Today is a good day to die.

The reason I decided to start this thread instead of *****ing in other threads is because I don't want to participate in those threads any more, and if you hate this thread you have every right to. It's a *****y thread. So don't participate. Let it die.
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